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Robert Plank: Marketer of the
Day episode 705, relax, refresh,

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re, energize, overcome stress,
anxiety and fears with personal

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development coach Peggy silphon,
Hey everyone, and welcome back

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to the marketer of the day
podcast. We are here with return

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guest Peggy silphon and her past
appearance here was at marketer

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of the day.com, forward slash
221, and Peggy silphon is an

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internationally recognized
personal development coach.

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She's a speaker and author, and
she compels you to supercharge

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your life, and she shows you how
to kickstart a happier and

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healthier lifestyle with many
tools in her toolbox, and we're

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talking about things like
stress, anxiety and fears and

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the things that often hold you
back from realizing your dreams.

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And Peggy's cutting edge methods
help you quickly undo those

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blocks that are preventing you
from living the life that you

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truly want and deserve. And her
wide scope of trainings in both

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Western and Eastern traditions
blend into special approaches to

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overcome any challenge. So
Peggy, been a long time, glad to

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talk to you again.

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Peggy Sealfon: It has been a
long time, and I really feel

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honored to have a repeat
appearance on your show. So

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thank you, Robert for inviting
me again.

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Robert Plank: Yeah, you're very
welcome. And as you know,

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sometimes we figure out our
place in life. We figure out our

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special secret sauce, but then
things move so quickly these

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days with the internet and
social media that next thing you

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know, two or three years passed,
and now we have a new focus. So

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Has anything changed just off
the top of your mind in the past

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two or three years? Like, is
there anything new that our

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cutting edge that's happened the
last couple of years since we

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last spoke,

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Peggy Sealfon: for me
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the world, either

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Robert Plank: or both. So
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Peggy Sealfon: I've actually
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of the changes between
technology and science and in

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the area I live in, in southwest
Florida, which we call the

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paradise coast. We have a lot of
cutting edge practitioners and

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services that don't really yet
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world. So two and a half years
ago, actually, I launched be

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well in paradise.com. Which is
the hub for health and wellness,

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and we have such an incredible
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cooperation amongst all the
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And we're really the only area
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really doing a county wide
approach to wellness. So we have

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so many different kinds of
opportunities, and in January,

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I'll do this terrible plug for
our second annual paradise Coast

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wellness experience. It'll be
January, 10 to 12th, so it's a

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great time to really either kick
off a healthy lifestyle or keep

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your New Year's resolutions
alive and well and and learning

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new things and getting to
experience new activities. So I

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know I've given you a mouthful
for a quick question, right?

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That's okay to dig

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Robert Plank: into, yeah, and I
can tell. And so when you say

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that, it makes me think of like,
it seems like, even still,

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there's that disconnect between,
like, the the literal, physical,

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medicinal stuff that happens,
like the MD kind of region. And

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then there's also the kind of
more, I don't know if you call

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it foo, foo, but like, more of,
like, the the gentle mindset

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kind of stuff. Like, did you see
that kind of thing? Like, it's

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like, there's the, it's hard to
take the the holistic stuff

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seriously, even though, in the
traditional medicine, there's

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things that are not covered, and
it's like hard to, like, get

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both and fill on the middle
ground, right?

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Peggy Sealfon: Well. And
actually, I trained in

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functional Nutri, functional
nutrition and functional

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medicine with Mark Hyman. And
some of what we're seeing in

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medical circles and in science
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recognition that, you know, the
mind really has this powerful

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connection over the body, and we
can heal ourselves with our

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mind. We can manifest things
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energy, dreams or energy. And
you know, as marketers, it's

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really important to be aware of
that, because we can use that to

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our advantage and be even better
at what we do.

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Robert Plank: Yeah, I agree
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that, do you have any fun
stories in the last couple of

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years of like a type of person
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that you've helped lately, who
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system or fell through the
cracks, but they came to you and

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you solved some really helpful
problems in their lives,

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Peggy Sealfon: so many, it's
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be honest. I mean, I worked with
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crumbling, and he was panicked
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business, but he'd lose his
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and so obviously he couldn't
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was really headed for either a
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he was getting obese, because
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releases all these hormones you
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weight. And so I started working
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of really being present in the
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himself. I gave him a technique
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a yogic sleep that in just 20
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to four hours of deep,
restorative sleep. So he started

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doing that every night. He would
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I made for him, and he would
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the morning he would be okay,
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that he righted his business, he
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a whole chain of places. I mean,
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so that was really exciting and
rewarding and encouraging that,

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again, anything that isn't
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changed, and it just takes some
awareness and vigilance and some

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Robert Plank: Awesome, yeah,
because it seems like that's a

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common problem, right? Like
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is a problem of not being too
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maybe phase two is just being
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24 hours a day, not sleeping,
trying to land those deals, make

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the websites, make the product
work. And then maybe phase

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three, the final phase is to
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that. And so I think that's, and
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you, you created this kind of
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with this specific person, he
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made this, this thing where he
could get the the equivalent of

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this, the sleep without the
sleep. So can you, like, unpack

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that and tell tell us, like,
what exactly is it that you

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created here?

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Peggy Sealfon: Well, actually, I
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ancient yogic practice. As you
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really combined Eastern and
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that's one of them. I've trained
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master, Sri Amrit G and he's
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was really one of the pioneers
bringing yoga to the west back

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in the 1960s and that I
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personality. I was Go, go, go,
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literally and figuratively. And
so when I first experienced this

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particular practice with Yogi
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magical it felt, and it felt
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actually you are activating your
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hormones and balancing, really
activating all the dormant

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healing powers in your own body
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actually had doctors send me
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some major challenges, and they
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better. So what yoga nidra is,
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to taking you into deep levels
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based meditation. But I've had
people who come from doctors who

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said, Well, I can't do yoga. And
I ask them, Well, can you sit in

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a chair or lie down? And they
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you can do this. Because it's,
it's guided. So you close your

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eyes and you just listen, listen
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just takes you into these
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consciousness, which is where
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go to sleep at night. So it
mimics sleep only your conscious

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and yet the benefits are like
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restorative sleep. So it's
amazing for me. When I first

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experienced it being from New
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high energy all the time. It was
transformational. And it is

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really, I have to say, what kind
of guided me into this work of

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wellness. Was I thought, you
know, people need to know about

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these approaches and be able to
incorporate them into their

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lives, right?

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Robert Plank: And I mean, in
this day and age where we can

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access, you know, on YouTube or
access any recording or video.

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What's the harm in trying
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weeks to see if it works or not?
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mentioned there is you made me
think of like, how things have

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changed. Because I feel like
when I was in my 20s, I was more

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focused on more and more, and
now the am in my 30s, I'm

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thinking in terms of, how can I
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energize during the downtime, so
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the energy to come back when
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of like the opposite way of
thinking, right? Like, sometimes

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we think, oh, I need to, like,
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to, like, stay awake for three
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done. And these days, I'm
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well, how can I relax during my
downtime so that way I can make

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more of the uptime. And it's
like, kind of a better way of

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thinking, right? It seems more
sustainable than just trying to

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pour more gasoline on the fire.
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Peggy Sealfon: figured it out,
and a lot of people haven't. And

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really, it's about balance. Yes,
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when you realize that, oh gosh,
I'm really tired, I have to have

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another cup of coffee. No,
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And I even have that little
three minute to de stress audio

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that I encourage people to use
as a little break. So it's just

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at three minutes to destress.com
and it's free, they can download

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it. And what that does is
exactly what you just described.

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It interrupts that pattern of
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human beings, biologically, we
cannot function at that level,

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and when we try to that chronic
stress actually suppresses our

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immune system. It also
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clearly, to remember things, so
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taking a few minutes out, it
really restores, renews,

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revitalizes, and allows us to
perform at a higher level. So

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bravo to you that you figured
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really about balance.

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Robert Plank: Well, I'm still
figuring things out every single

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day, as you are too, right?
We're never 100% to God, like

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status. And so along those
lines, as far as what you

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yourself have figured out in
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anything come to mind? As far as
just like you specifically and

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like your own personal
challenges, struggles, things

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that you have overcome just in
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to day sort of stuff.

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Peggy Sealfon: Absolutely, I
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not letting your mind control
everything and not letting your

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emotions take over. And I think
you know, being female, we tend

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to be much more emotionally
reactive to situations,

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although, obviously men suffer
as well. But what happens when

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we allow these emotional
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again, it really depletes us,
because those emotions have an

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energetic drain, a low
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again, if we hold on to those
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at the end of the year, coming
into holiday seasons, tends to

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really amp up because we're
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and friends that we might not
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periods of time with. So it
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And so yeah, so I've learned how
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let myself just be carried away
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sometimes, when I notice myself
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kind of pause and think, Okay,
wait a minute. Is this my ego,

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or is this reality? And I really
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instead of through all the
preconditioning and pre

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programmed stuff that I've
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As we all do, we all tend to be
guided by experiences we've had,

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but they're not necessarily the
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finding what's really the truth
and really being present in the

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moment. And if it's a
relationship situation, it's

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being with who you're with, and
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business, and I would
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groups or message boards and try
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something similar to me, or
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they're doing better than me.
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action. And I realized that,
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late 20s, I would do a lot of
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thought, well, that was the only
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realized that that was like
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jumper cables and just like
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that kind of work to jumpstart.
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something that's going to work
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so it took, you know, years,
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into, like, Okay, it's good that
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there's a better path, or a
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mechanism to get there and and
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all with all the psychology
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childhood bad memories, right?
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I was a kid learning baseball,
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to, like, do better in baseball,
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a way to get results. And I
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kind of like yelling at myself
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just like it kind of gave you a
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live your whole life? Is one
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to the point because we develop
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not healthy for us in the long
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depleting emotion, and it really
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clearly or really see things as
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great study that actually
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by a Dr masuro Moto. He's been
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really interesting. What he did
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say words over the water, like
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he would freeze the water, and
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that word on the water, in the
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disorganized. And when he would
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gratitude, it was like,
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snowflakes and white. I mean, it
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energies affect us. And then
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actually show how different
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depending on the emotions. And
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organs, and you're, you know,
pulling things out of specific

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areas, like kidneys and, you
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of process everything balanced
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interrupts our natural,
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great that you recognize that,
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to pay attention to that, and
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patterns again and again. And as
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deeper and harder to, you know,
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again, bravo, Robert,

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Robert Plank: thank you.
Luckily, I caught it early,

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before it got too set in the
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it's important for us to catch
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correct before it's too late, or
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we're too set in a certain
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for the busy entrepreneur
looking to make a change, feel

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better, be more sustainable.
What's like a good first step?

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Like to kind of like, you know,
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Should we start looking up some
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on YouTube, or listening to
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what's an easy way to start
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Peggy Sealfon: So there's lots
of different ways. I call these

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processes or practices
interrupters, that you interrupt

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those patterns, and it takes 21
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patterns. So nothing is
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little work and a little
vigilance and a little wanting

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to interrupt it. And I actually,
my book escape from anxiety, has

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over 100 strategies that can
interrupt those patterns. I

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think one of the simplest though
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even have in the book, but would
be to do like a 10 count

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breathing exercise. So you would
just pause when you notice it

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and kind of change your focus
and just interrupt the feeling

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and the whole sensory reactions
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experience in that moment, and
you just breathe in and you

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count so 10, I am breathing in
10, I am breathing out. Nine, I

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am breathing in nine, I am
breathing out. And you just

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count through that, and by the
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the feelings are gone, and
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You've brought more balance,
biologically harmoniously, vital

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life force, energy has been
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and you've changed that pattern.
And so if you can just when you,

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you know, get stuck in traffic
and you're all aggravated

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because you're late, and why is
there so much traffic? If you

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just pause to do some deep, slow
breathing, that literally

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signals the nervous system to
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interrupt those patterns. That's
just a simple way. Obviously,

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there's more complex and
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coach, because I work with
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you know, what's going on and
what they need to do to make it

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work for them and to be
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Can't do it right twice,

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Robert Plank: right? You can't
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cured forever. It's like these
repeat habits that we have to

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get set on ourselves. And as
you're explaining all this. It

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brings me back to that whole
idea that we're still running

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caveman and cavewoman software,
right? We're still one step

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about the Neanderthals. We're
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the way they were 100,000 years
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this rapidly changing world of,
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and being in the cars and
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maybe we have to develop some
strategies to outsmart the

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caveman minds, which is kind of
okay, because at least the

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caveman mind is simple enough
that it can be outsmarted,

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right? As long as we learn some
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and know what tools to use in
the toolbox. And so you

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mentioned that you have your
book escape from anxiety. And so

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can you tell us, like if people
listening here were impressed,

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or at least had some next steps
to go to here to get out of the

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hole or the pattern they're
stuck in, can you tell us about

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some of your books or websites
or programs or just things that

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we can look into to kind of
continue on this path here,

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Peggy Sealfon: absolutely so
escape from anxiety, supercharge

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your life with powerful
strategies. From A to Z,

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literally has bite sized
strategies that people can use,

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and there's over 100 of them in
the book. And then the second

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part of the book helps you
develop your own kind of

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strategic protocol in order to
really sustain whatever works

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for you. Because we're all a
little different in terms of

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what we respond to. So it's
really important to try some

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different things and see well,
what works for you and what can

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you really incorporate in your
life. And then I did a

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compilation of the teachings of
the yogi, Master, Yogi Amrit

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Desai, and that's a real deep
dive into understanding mind

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body and really understanding
how we work, and it gives a

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quantum breath meditation. And
that one's called embodying the

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power of the zero stress zone.
And these are all on Amazon, and

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Barnes and Noble. And then I
have a lot of free material on

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my website@peggysealfund.com so
one of the things right on the

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home page is put a smile in your
heart, and it's an audio it's

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under 10 minutes, and it's just
kind of a break, a time out. And

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when your heart is smiling, when
you're calm, when you're

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relaxed, you're actually able to
do so much more with so much

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less energy. So just taking that
10 minute time out can really

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restore and renew and help you
really perform at your peak, and

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that's you know, allows you to
be healthier and happier and

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have better relationships. It
just impacts every part of your

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life when you're more balanced
and more integrated. So then I

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also have an integrated life
coaching program that I offer,

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and people can find
that@integratedlifeplan.com but

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I like to promote a lot of my
free stuff, because I really

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want people to put their toe in
the water and just try something

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and see how it feels for them,
because that's the key you've

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got to find what resonates with
you and what works with your

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belief system, your lifestyle
and and that's why I've been so

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blessed, really, to be able to
have studied in so many

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different kinds of traditions
that I can always find areas of

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commonality with my clients, and
I can always find and I've

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worked with youngsters as young
as six and old stirs as old as

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90. So it's it's fun to be able
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someone's greatest potential.

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Robert Plank: Well, fantastic.
And as you said, We're all

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unique. We all have different
attributes. But on the other

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hand, it's all been seen before,
right? Like we just have to go

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and try different things and see
what works for us, and maybe

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hang on to what works and let go
of what doesn't, and always be

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curious and always be
experimenting and figure out

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what we need to get that pause,
get that breath, to slow down,

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to recenter and to become the
greatest person that we know,

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that we need to be and can be.
And as you said, your websites

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are peggysilfon.com and
integratedlifeplan.com and if

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someone says, you know, I really
want to get on the fast track.

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Really want to have, like, a one
on one conversation with Miss

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Peggy, and figure out, like, how
can you, like, pay for a

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conversation? Or figure out some
kind of, like, a personal

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coaching is that an option for
you too?

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Peggy Sealfon: Oh, absolutely. I
do a lot of coaching, and I

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coach people all over the world.
I use Zoom Skype phone. So yes,

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absolutely, and that, and they
can contact me through my

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website@peggysealfund.com, and I
even have a free consultation on

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there. They can also go to
escape fromanxiety.com and

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there's a free coaching on
there, and there's 10 things to

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help interrupt stress and
anxiety that you can just

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download for free, so just lots
of stuff to make it available. I

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mean, I feel so fortunate that
I've learned the things that

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I've learned, and I'm always
learning, as you say, it's, it's

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a non stop process, and it's one
of the things I happen to love.

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I mean, I really am enjoying
learning all these new

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technologies as new things are
coming on board, but at the end

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of the day, it's it's really
about sharing it with others,

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because when we help one
another, we make a difference in

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the world, and we make all of us
work together in a better way.

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And that's what my be. Well, in
Paradise is all about. It's

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really getting everybody kind of
on the same page, working

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together to help more people and
to make an impact.

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Robert Plank: Well, fantastic.
Well, in this day and age, with

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all the information circulated,
there's no reason to be left out

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in the dark, as far as getting
the help that you need, and as

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Peggy said, there's also escape
from anxiety.com so there are

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tons of little freebies that you
can go grab. So if you're the

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kind of person where you listen
to this episode and you said.

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Know that sounds good, but I
think I'll pass I mean, you're

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only missing out yourself,
right? Like there are resources

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that are websites you can go and
take the next, next step and

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sign up and opt in and get some
of these free things, and just

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see where it leads and see if it
helps you a little bit, if it

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helps you 1% or 10% then maybe
you can say, well, maybe every

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morning, I'll set aside those 10
minutes a day to do that

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mindfulness meditation, or some
of that, that yoga stuff, or

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the, what's called the yoga
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Peggy Sealfon: the yoga nidra.
Yoga,

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Robert Plank: yoga. Nidra, yes,

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Peggy Sealfon: just amazing. I
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trips, you know, where I'm
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I'll stop in the middle of that
and just go park in a corner

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somewhere and listen for 20
minutes and I feel like I've had

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a night's sleep. It's just
amazing how it revitalizes you

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well, that

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Robert Plank: specifically, I'm
gonna look into that, because

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that sounds like super cool to
play some of those things while

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we're sleeping and just get a
short amount of time. But all

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the benefits of sleep and in
this day and age, with all the

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the research being done, and you
know, people uncovering these

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things from from millennia past,
from all these wise people, from

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all of history, where all the
information is at our disposal.

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So it's up to us to go and and
see what we can absorb and see

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what works for us. So the place
to do that is peggysealne.com

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and anything to throw out here,
Peggy to maybe wrap up this

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conversation and put a button on
it and just give us, like, one

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final sentence, one very
inspiring message to make us

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feel good and get in the right
direction here.

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Peggy Sealfon: So I like to
point people into the direction

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of this thought that happiness
is an inside job, and I think

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too often, we're looking for
happiness outside of ourselves

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or looking for love from someone
else instead of cultivating it

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within ourselves. You know, if
you want love, be more loving.

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If you want respect, be more
respectful. So I believe that we

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can manifest whatever we want,
but it starts within us and it's

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cultivating that. So thank you,
Robert, this has been so fun to

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be with you.

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Robert Plank: Thank you, Peggy,
and it was a lot of fun to catch

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up with you. And you're so
right. Happiness is an inside

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job. There's that saying of so
many, if you have a bad

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attitude, you can see a whole
rose garden and find the one

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Thorn. So it's up to us to to
see the good of things. I mean,

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we are literally living in the
best possible time to be alive

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in all of human history. So why
not make the best of it and go

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to peggysseelfon.com that way
you can see all the good in your

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life and see all the wonderful
things that are ahead of you in

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the future. Peggysseelfon.com
We'll see you there. And thanks

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Peggy for stopping by and for
imparting just truckloads of

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wisdom for us here today.

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Peggy Sealfon: Thank you,
Robert. It really has been a joy

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to be here. This is great
conversations, and I hope your

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listeners really do take
advantage of what's available.

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So thank you again.

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Robert Plank: Thank you. I hope
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