1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,990 Robert Plank: Marketer of the Day episode 722, Charisma on 2 00:00:03,990 --> 00:00:08,340 camera, emotions, empathy, relationships, self, love, 3 00:00:08,370 --> 00:00:12,180 listening, presence and communication with Sandra Dee 4 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:19,140 Robinson, Hey everyone, and welcome back to the marketer of 5 00:00:19,140 --> 00:00:22,890 the day podcast. We are chatting with Sandra Dee Robinson, and 6 00:00:22,890 --> 00:00:26,610 she is a known television actress, a soap opera star. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,850 She's an author, an international speaker, a TV and 8 00:00:29,850 --> 00:00:33,780 radio host. And she founded Charisma On camera performance 9 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:37,530 coaching in 2010 and her Equine Assisted coaching program 10 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:42,780 charismatic, charismatic cowgirl in 2017 she is master certified 11 00:00:42,780 --> 00:00:47,520 in NLP, hypnosis stage mastery and so many other things. And 12 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:51,420 her mission is to help move people from where they are to 13 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:54,480 where they are designed to be. So if that is you listening, 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,180 which it is and it should be, then pay very close attention. 15 00:00:57,180 --> 00:01:00,690 We are going to have some major breakthroughs and ahas today. So 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,250 Sandra, glad to be talking to you. 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,020 Sandra Dee Robinson: Thank you so much. I'm glad to be here. 18 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:07,319 Robert Plank: Glad to have you. So what the heck do we need to 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,339 be worried about, focused on doing with our lives, like, what 20 00:01:11,339 --> 00:01:13,979 are we all doing wrong? How are we messed up? And how can we 21 00:01:13,979 --> 00:01:15,659 improve? Well, 22 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:17,520 Sandra Dee Robinson: I think, you know, from the very 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,420 beginning, I've been in front of the camera as an actress, and 24 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:22,940 people will look at me in the grocery store and go, Do I know 25 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:24,980 you like you've obviously watched soap operas, because 26 00:01:24,980 --> 00:01:28,700 that's how I grew up. You know, for decades, that's what I did. 27 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:32,060 So was very fortunate to do that, but I realized even before 28 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:35,240 then, I was studying relationships. I was watching 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,640 animals, because my mom didn't pay a lot of attention to me. 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,480 She didn't want me around. So it was all relationships for me, 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,880 like wanting the relationship I didn't have with my mother. My 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,120 father was busy working. He was wonderful, but not there. So I 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,200 was looking at my exterior world and wondering how these animals 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,480 related to one another. Funny thing is, when I got the 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,960 opportunity to become an actor, I chose that voice instead of my 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,200 own because they didn't have the confidence from my mother's 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,560 programming. We all have that bad programming. That's one 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,680 thing we all have, and I ended up borrowing that voice as an 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,840 actor for a long time. And what did I do? Working in soap 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,740 operas, learned about how relationships work, right? 41 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:13,500 Because it was my job. I had to figure out what emotions went 42 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:16,140 with what and why people react the way they do. So it is 43 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:18,840 interesting that even now, when I'm into my coaching and I'm 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,340 working with the horses and out in the in this latest this 45 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:24,920 latest venture, helping people with relationships and 46 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,160 leadership and all that. It's all relationship. And I think 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,260 the number one thing that I see now is that relationships are 48 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:37,820 not always easy, but I think that we have a real tendency to 49 00:02:37,820 --> 00:02:40,480 just not we make them so much more difficult. I don't think 50 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,880 there's a lot of people that understand what a healthy 51 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:48,640 relationship actually is in business or in life, and I 52 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:51,820 understand it because there's a few reasons why we have such 53 00:02:51,820 --> 00:02:54,940 difficulty with that so and it's the same reasons for most of the 54 00:02:54,940 --> 00:02:56,800 people that I work with. Well, 55 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,780 Robert Plank: now you have my curiosity. I mean, what are the 56 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:02,520 reasons? Because when, when you explain this problem in front of 57 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,940 us. You make it sound so simple, right? It sounds like we just 58 00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:10,140 need to be human beings and remember to keep relationships 59 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:13,500 going, and, you know, say please and thank you and tell someone 60 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:17,040 that they're appreciated and respect other people. It seems 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,260 so simple, but yet, I think maybe we all forget to do it, or 62 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,440 we don't put in that, those little bits of energy that maybe 63 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,460 we should be doing. So, I mean, how? Why is it so difficult, and 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,500 why are we all missing the boat here? 65 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,000 Sandra Dee Robinson: Well, I think the number one reason is 66 00:03:35,060 --> 00:03:39,080 our there's two things actually that are at the top of the of 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,460 the issue. You want to call it that. We just said, Be human 68 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:46,720 beings. The word be is really important in there. And I 69 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 realized when I started working with the horses and the equine 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,340 coaching how difficult it is for us to just be, to actually just 71 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:57,100 be in the moment, to be listening. You can say please 72 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:59,440 and thank you, but is the other person even going to hear you? 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Do you even understand that there's a reason to say, thank 74 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,600 you. Are you present? And a lot of people just aren't, and when 75 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,780 they haven't been trained to be present, because we're so on our 76 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:13,020 technical devices all the time, being present can sometimes make 77 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:17,520 people feel vulnerable. And what I've noticed is this incredible 78 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:20,040 increase, and it's, you know, they call it an epidemic of 79 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,000 people that are claiming to be depressed, they're on depressed 80 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,520 medication since 1999 that's just a little over a decade. In 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,060 the last decade, suicides have increased 24% if that was an 82 00:04:32,060 --> 00:04:35,780 illness that would be considered an epidemic. So this is 83 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:38,240 something that I think is really just rooted in, something that, 84 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,020 as you say, it's really simple, which is why getting getting 85 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:43,480 people out into nature and putting them in front of a 1200 86 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:47,920 pound animal like I do, has made things very simple, because you 87 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,680 can't get away with being in your head, thinking about 88 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,080 tomorrow, thinking about yesterday's trauma, if you're 89 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,020 trying to build a relationship with a large sentient being that 90 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:59,260 is intimidatingly standing right in front of you. So to see 91 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:02,940 people. Do that. It gives me hope that people can do it. We 92 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:05,760 can go back to being present, and that's where you actually 93 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:08,220 are able to build those relationships. The quality of 94 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:10,560 your life is directly related to the quality of your 95 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,820 relationships, so it's really worth learning how to do them. 96 00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:15,240 Well, 97 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:19,920 Robert Plank: I agree completely, and and it's it's so 98 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,280 easy to ignore the reality, ignore the present, and for 99 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,800 little bits of time right to just like, check the text 100 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,640 messages, check the phone, not be there, or be imagining you're 101 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,400 somewhere else, or someone else is talking, and then you're 102 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,560 thinking about the next thing that you're saying. It's all 103 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:39,740 it's all innocent enough. But then when you see things like 104 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:43,000 the suicide epidemic happening, or you see like people are 105 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,180 unfulfilled or depressed or not where they want to be, then it's 106 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:49,960 like all these little things add up to all these big things. And 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,720 what I like about what you said there, about being in front of 108 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,660 that 1200 foot animal, and we'll need to unpack that in a second 109 00:05:55,660 --> 00:05:58,780 and figure out what animal that is, what all that's about. But 110 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:02,100 what just from that little bit that you you tease us with 111 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:06,000 there. What that makes me think of is how you always hear about 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,840 how our our instincts don't serve us right, how there's 113 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,140 like, for example, the the red car syndrome, like you'll only 114 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:16,920 notice the negative things, like the dangers in life. You'll 115 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,440 notice the things that you don't have, or the bad news. But it 116 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,860 seems like, from what you told us and what you're about to tell 117 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:29,000 us, is that that whole the dangers in front of me, I need 118 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,180 to focus 100% on the present. It seems like you're kind of 119 00:06:32,180 --> 00:06:34,820 flipping that on its head there and saying, Well, we're gonna 120 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:37,880 take you over into nature, to to the zoo or something, in front 121 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,440 of this huge animal. So now that you can retrain your brand focus 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,020 on the one important thing in front of you. So I don't know if 123 00:06:44,020 --> 00:06:46,300 any of that was on the right track, but I'm really curious 124 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:50,560 about what is up with this 1200 pound animal, because it sounds 125 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,180 awesome, but also scary. I 126 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:55,180 Sandra Dee Robinson: love it. Well, yeah, for some people, it 127 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:58,060 is scary. So I've been working with people in their 128 00:06:58,060 --> 00:07:00,660 presentation skills for a really long time. I was still acting. 129 00:07:00,660 --> 00:07:04,740 When I started doing that, I found that the way I worked with 130 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,980 helping people find their message and get up on stage and 131 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,920 get in front of a video camera and be interviewed was really 132 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,000 helping them be comfortable in their own skin and to support 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,520 themselves. In other words, the first relationship is the one 134 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,260 you have with yourself, right? And then to be able to listen, 135 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:24,080 which means they had to be present. So finding their 136 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,540 personal strengths and communication, so finding their 137 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:29,180 personal strengths, all of this was stuff coming from the inside 138 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:33,080 out. It what performance coaching, which is what some 139 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,560 people would say I was doing, really most of the time, evokes, 140 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,260 okay, you stand on this side of the stage and you stand on that 141 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:42,820 side of the stage. You use this, use your hands this way. I can 142 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:45,400 do all of that stuff. But honestly, if you teach yourself 143 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 those kind of performance tricks, it's going to fall flat. 144 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:50,740 People are or if you try to be somebody else, if you try to be 145 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:55,180 somewhere else, it's going to fall flat. Because we are just 146 00:07:55,180 --> 00:07:58,360 like the horses that I'm working with now. We read people's 147 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,320 energy. We know when somebody is congruent. You know when 148 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,100 somebody is lying to you for the most part, and when you go 149 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,740 that's what I'm doing now, is working with horses. That's 150 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:10,800 Equine Assisted coaching. So I'm bringing these leaders, and 151 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,380 primarily I work with women. I do have some men. I do some 152 00:08:13,380 --> 00:08:17,340 corporate groups. But when a woman is walking into this round 153 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:20,960 pen with no tools, there's no halter on the horse, they don't 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,300 know the first thing about communicating a lot of times 155 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:26,120 with this animal, right? It's like us running into somebody 156 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,660 that we don't know, that we have to impress. So it could be that 157 00:08:29,660 --> 00:08:33,860 we're pitching our business, it could be that we are that we're 158 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:36,800 trying to get a job. It could be that we're on a date with 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,720 somebody new, but when you meet someone, you don't know how they 160 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,200 communicate. They probably speak the same language of you as you, 161 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,800 but you don't know what. What do they like to hear? What? What 162 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,820 feels good to them? You know what? You know nothing. So when 163 00:08:51,820 --> 00:08:55,300 somebody turns to me and says, I don't know what this horse 164 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,600 likes, well, the horse is trying to connect. They're prey 165 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,800 animals. We are their predator. The first thing they want to do 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 is feel safe. If we can make them feel safe, they're they're 167 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,440 cool, and they'll bond with you, and they'll be your buddy, and 168 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,660 they'll be your partner for the entire day. If we're doing a 169 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:12,600 retreat, it's an entire day working with this, this partner. 170 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:16,620 If they don't feel safe, it usually means that something 171 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:20,100 inside of the person is not congruent. They're either not 172 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:24,020 present or they're acting confident when they're really 173 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:28,040 not. And when you think about it, when we run into somebody 174 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:31,700 that is not present, that shakes our hand and looks over our 175 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,240 shoulder as they're doing it, or somebody that is pretending to 176 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,400 be something they're not, we don't really want to be around 177 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,560 them. Something inside of us says, I'm going to go hang out 178 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:44,080 with the people that are cool, right? It's the same thing. So 179 00:09:44,140 --> 00:09:47,140 when I'm working with the horses, that is the challenge 180 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:50,380 that shows up a lot of time. It's just how to be, how to 181 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:53,080 stand there and say, Okay, I don't know what to do. And all 182 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,020 of a sudden, when you say, I don't know what to do, that 183 00:09:56,020 --> 00:09:59,920 energy is completely congruent, and that animal will turn and. 184 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Befriend you. It is the craziest thing, but it's one of the 185 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,880 reasons why equine assisted. Everything is growing so 186 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 exponentially. It's a little confusing. Actually. When I 187 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,880 first started working with equines in this coaching, people 188 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,100 didn't understand what it was. They thought we were writing. 189 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:16,560 They thought that I was doing therapy. And I want to make 190 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:18,960 clear, I'm not doing therapy. I think that the people that do 191 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,820 therapy with horses and handle PTSD and trauma. And I have who 192 00:10:22,820 --> 00:10:27,800 I refer to. They're amazing. They do amazing work. I work 193 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,500 with professionals. So I work with people that are already at 194 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,920 a level of success most of the time. They're overwhelmed, 195 00:10:34,220 --> 00:10:38,360 they're they're they're struggling in relationships, in 196 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,420 their life, because things are really out of balance. They 197 00:10:40,420 --> 00:10:43,420 don't know how to even take a breath and treat themselves to a 198 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:47,260 little support. So that is when you get into that overwhelm and 199 00:10:47,260 --> 00:10:51,160 the lack of support and that emotional state that just feels 200 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,460 like you're frenetic on the inside. That's when people start 201 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:58,360 reaching for things like, you know, stuff to go to sleep, or 202 00:10:58,540 --> 00:11:02,280 an extra glass of wine, or a bottle of wine or a tequila, you 203 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,580 know, and I know friends that we don't call them after 6pm 204 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,580 because they're self medicating because they can't calm down 205 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,060 from that frenetic case, you held up your cell phone a second 206 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:16,740 ago. Robert, is this your is your cell phone? Your your alarm 207 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:21,260 clock? Yes, yeah, and it is probably for most of the people 208 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:24,500 listening. But tell me, when you pick up that that and you turn 209 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:26,780 off your alarm clock and there's a there's a Facebook 210 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:29,060 notification, can you ignore it? 211 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:33,500 Robert Plank: I can. I would say that maybe a few years ago I 212 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:37,700 wasn't able to. But you know, like we mentioned that you hear 213 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:40,660 these, these stories about how people have just gone so far off 214 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:44,500 the deep end that I've been trying to do it in moderation, 215 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:46,900 just like everything else, right? Like the phone in itself 216 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:50,620 is not evil, just the overuse. So I do make it a point to say, 217 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,320 okay, the alarm clock went off, turn it off and put the phone 218 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,500 back down, because you always hear about how it turns into 219 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:00,460 that panic cycle of like, if you wake up, check the messages, 220 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,840 then you can't get out of it. You're always, you're like, 221 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,020 dependent on Facebook as a drug, just like the pills or the 222 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:09,120 alcohol. That's such a scary place to be. It's so 223 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,860 Sandra Dee Robinson: true. And in fact, that's what keeps 224 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:13,620 people up a lot of times too. They'll be laying in bed and 225 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:15,420 they'll have the phone, they'll be scrolling through it, and 226 00:12:15,420 --> 00:12:17,880 they're looking at for the likes. And it's that, it's that 227 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,540 FOMO, right? The fear of missing out, that something is going on. 228 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:25,100 So when ladies come for the right ladies retreat, just last 229 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,920 weekend and I asked them to pick up a journal, I give them a 230 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,440 beautiful journal, and then I say, in that box, I want you to 231 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,480 drop your cell phones. And very rarely do I actually have them 232 00:12:35,540 --> 00:12:38,960 resist. And what's funny is that I'll have to chase a couple of 233 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,120 them down inevitably at the end going, you forgot your phone. So 234 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,040 that gives me hope that just in one day, they can appreciate 235 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,500 what it's like to be in the now and then. We talk about, how 236 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:52,420 does that look whenever you're going back into your 237 00:12:52,420 --> 00:12:55,180 relationships with your loved ones, with your family, with 238 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:58,180 your people that you manage, with your you know you can't 239 00:12:58,180 --> 00:13:00,840 forget with the people that you are speaking to that you're 240 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,260 marketing to you. You know, the same thing that I've heard you 241 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:06,480 talk about on so much of your stuff, where you're like, you 242 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,240 have to listen to what people want from you before you just 243 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,660 serve it out to them. It's kind of the same. It's just a 244 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:16,020 relationship. It's the same concept. So if you work from the 245 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:20,480 inside out, you your closest people, your employees, all the 246 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,460 way on out to your marketing, you're going to have that 247 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:25,340 healthy relationship, building the entire way and then getting 248 00:13:25,340 --> 00:13:28,220 in front of people and speaking really isn't that difficult. 249 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,180 Once you know what the purpose of your speech is, once you know 250 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:35,180 who you're serving and how to serve them, you can look them in 251 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:37,280 the eye and give them your information, which is so 252 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,180 valuable, and not be worried about yourself because you're 253 00:13:40,180 --> 00:13:43,240 solid in that. Does that make sense? It 254 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Robert Plank: does. And what I'm hearing from you is that we need 255 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,180 to not rely on all the quick fixes that it's tempting to say, 256 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:55,180 well, it'll act a certain way and stand on these parts on the 257 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:59,920 stage, but it seems like you're you're thinking here is that we 258 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,780 need to know ourselves better and maybe remove all the 259 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:07,200 distractions. So that way, it's not, am I doing these 20 things 260 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,640 at once? It's do I know what I'm trying to accomplish, and can 261 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,840 things Just be natural? So that way I can be myself and I don't 262 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,300 have to act. I mean, maybe you can be an actor, but not all of 263 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:23,600 us, right? So maybe we can be ourselves, and then it just it 264 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,320 makes it a lot easier if we kind of do things, maybe the longer, 265 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,260 harder path, as opposed to the quick fix, that only gets us so 266 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:32,120 far right, the quick fix is 267 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Sandra Dee Robinson: an act as if, and believe me, I spent a 268 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,560 lot of years doing that, and I can learn 35 pages of dialog 269 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,240 every single day. I mean, I had that down. I had being somebody 270 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,320 else down, being myself was where I was struggling. I had a 271 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,960 very difficult time. And one of the reasons that I'm so 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,940 passionate about that is that I think that whatever platform you 273 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:58,420 have, you can make the most of it. And at one point in my early 274 00:14:58,420 --> 00:15:02,040 20s, in particular, I remember. Remember, I was getting a lot of 275 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,860 national publicity, so I would be on morning shows and things 276 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:08,040 like that. My characters were really popular, and I couldn't 277 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,300 speak. I didn't know what my value was. I was just my PR 278 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:15,060 people got me there, and they didn't tell me how to represent 279 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:18,600 myself or how to even say what I was passionate about. I I kind 280 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,320 of feel like there I was. I was successful. I was making money. 281 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,140 I was in people's televisions every single day. I had a 282 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:29,000 platform, and I didn't use it to the fullest extent. And, you 283 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,700 know, it wasn't even so much about promoting myself, but 284 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:34,040 there were causes that I felt very passionate about, that I 285 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,380 was trying to raise awareness for, and I couldn't open up my 286 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:40,360 mouth. So I want people to be able to stand in their strength 287 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 and use whatever platform they have. If they're number one in 288 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,300 sales in their company, use it. You know, there's a way that you 289 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:49,660 can use that everybody has something that they can stand 290 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:53,440 on, that's a platform and acting as if, like you said, it's only 291 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,340 going to get you so far. We see through that. And I would rather 292 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:02,280 somebody stand there in their truth than work a stage back and 293 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,580 forth, choreographed by a pro. It's, you know, and I can 294 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:08,580 guarantee that anybody that's listening to this can think of 295 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:12,300 their favorite speaker, and what they think of is how they felt 296 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:15,420 when they were there in the room with them. That doesn't come 297 00:16:15,420 --> 00:16:18,180 from where you stand on the stage necessarily. That doesn't 298 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:21,000 come from, you know, Hey, turn to your neighbor and tell them 299 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,680 that they're number one. I mean, I mean, I hate that stuff. It's 300 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,760 like, so tacky, 301 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,740 Robert Plank: and it's so like, oh yeah. Didn't mean to 302 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:33,620 interrupt you, but I was gonna say it seems like a lot of what 303 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,640 you're mentioning here is that we need to, like, jump in and 304 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,120 make some of those mistakes and figure some of these things out 305 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,180 through trial and error, right? And like, get the hours in, get 306 00:16:43,180 --> 00:16:46,900 the practice in. And what you're making me think of is with, 307 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 especially with the podcasting, right? You said, use the 308 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,240 platform that you have with the podcasting. The first couple 100 309 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,780 episodes were so awkward. We were maybe interrupting each 310 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:58,420 other. And when you and I do it, it's like we have something so 311 00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:02,160 good we just have to jump in. But it was like, oh, constant 312 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,820 awkwardness. And one thing that took a long time to figure out 313 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:09,840 is kind of matching the other person's rhythm, so to speak, 314 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:13,620 like if they were talking quickly or talking slowly, then 315 00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:17,460 I would match it somewhat, maybe not exactly, and not maybe even 316 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,300 not think about it, but just to kind of meet them where they 317 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,880 were at, yeah, and if they were the kind of person that gave a 318 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,420 long answer or a short answer, kind of understand that and just 319 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:29,000 have that better sense of understanding that way, we 320 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,400 wouldn't be getting in each other's way. And it kind of like 321 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,640 see that a lot of in how you're like involving me and asking me 322 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,960 questions, and we're having more of a conversation, but it took 323 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:43,720 so many times of a little bit of awkwardness, a little bit of the 324 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,920 uncertainty, just for it to finally click. And I think 325 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:51,580 that's just what make what's what you're making me think of 326 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:53,200 as you explain some of this stuff. Well, 327 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,700 Sandra Dee Robinson: I think Robert, kudos to you for 328 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:58,600 stepping into what I refer to as that vulnerability. So it's I 329 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,920 mean, you do feel vulnerable when you're placed in a in a 330 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,280 situation that you don't really understand in the beginning, 331 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:07,800 when you're speaking, or when you're podcasting, or when 332 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,160 you're doing Facebook Lives or or you're meeting somebody new, 333 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,880 right? It's you think, okay, I don't want to fail. Which is 334 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,460 going to fail you're, if you're meeting somebody new and you 335 00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:19,920 want to get to know them, you're probably going to ask the wrong 336 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,940 question at least once or twice until you get the right question 337 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:26,300 right if you're interviewing for a job, you may ask the wrong 338 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:29,720 question until you ask the right questions. So if you're if 339 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,840 you're podcasting like you said, you're going to be talking over 340 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,940 people, you're going to be feeling awkward. You're going to 341 00:18:34,940 --> 00:18:38,360 do some wrong things, but you have to do those wrong things so 342 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:41,140 that you know what the right thing is. And it's not really so 343 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:43,780 much about thinking that you have to fail your way into 344 00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:46,180 success as you're getting up on a stage and speaking, because 345 00:18:46,180 --> 00:18:49,600 that's going to scare people away from from doing that. But I 346 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,240 think as far as the speaking part of it, or getting on your 347 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Facebook Lives, putting yourself out there, even doing a podcast, 348 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:58,240 don't you think, Robert that it's really more about getting 349 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,540 in touch with what you have to deliver and why it's so 350 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:03,480 important. So when you think about the why, it gets a lot 351 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,780 easier to be able to get through the vulnerable parts of it, the 352 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,120 parts that you're stumbling through, maybe even beginning 353 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:13,440 Robert Plank: right, and also have that sense of the 354 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,820 proportion, because it's easy to let the not being an analyst, 355 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,460 letting our anxiety exaggerate the unimportant and minimize the 356 00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:26,120 important. Because, I mean, when our conversation fails may be 357 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,100 too big of a word, right? Like, they're, they're all these 358 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:31,460 little fails. Yes, a couple wrong questions, but you get to 359 00:19:31,460 --> 00:19:33,920 that one question that maybe you wouldn't have gotten to if the 360 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,440 conversation hadn't moved along. And then a lot of what you're 361 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,900 mentioning here, like the the horse stuff and like these 362 00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:42,880 causes you believe in, that's like, like, 1000 times more 363 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,600 important than one little awkward question. So it's like, 364 00:19:46,780 --> 00:19:49,300 it's fine to get through all little pebbles to get to the 365 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,040 huge mountain, so to speak. 366 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,900 Sandra Dee Robinson: Yeah, and it's true. Do you have to 367 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,480 remember what you're when I say that I work with people on 368 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,060 finding their strengths. Everybody has a strength in 369 00:19:58,060 --> 00:20:01,320 communication. So the word. Charismatic has been with me, 370 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,200 and my first company was called Charisma on camera, I developed 371 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,900 a program specifically for women with the equine coaching, and 372 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:09,780 that's called charismatic cowgirl. So when I used to talk 373 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:12,600 about charisma, people would say, Well, you can't teach that 374 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,680 and I can release it. I think that people can release it, 375 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:20,160 because I think everybody has the exact type of strength and 376 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,660 communication that makes them charismatic to the exact person 377 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,080 and the exact audience that they should be attracting to make the 378 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,300 impact they're designed to make. I think that we're all 379 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,300 wonderfully designed to be somebody else doesn't make 380 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:36,800 sense. So I have actually taken the tiniest little woman like I 381 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,920 swear, she couldn't have even been five foot tall, probably 85 382 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,680 pounds, and she was from India. She was very soft spoken, and 383 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,920 she had to speak for a very large company all around the 384 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,800 world, and she would speak at these conferences. And God bless 385 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,260 her, I'm like, Tommy, you don't stand behind the podium. And she 386 00:20:53,260 --> 00:20:55,720 goes, I do. And they said, What do you do when you're back 387 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,300 there? She goes, I hold on. And she like, gestured that she was 388 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,660 holding I said, Are you white knuckling the podium? She goes, 389 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:04,980 Yes. And I was like, Well, you know, let's, let's see if we can 390 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:08,160 get you away from that. And I didn't want her to turn into 391 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,000 like a Les Brown. She was a quiet, you know, diminutive 392 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,600 woman, but she had a wonderful warmth about her in telling 393 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,300 stories, and it was almost like this motherly way of delivering 394 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:22,460 information. So we let her be that. And now she can walk 395 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:25,280 around on the stages everywhere around the world, and she 396 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,620 commands the stage just being who she is, because her strength 397 00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:34,100 is in storytelling. And so when, when you stand in your own 398 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,560 strength, it's amazing what will happen. But the horses 399 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,900 sometimes, of course, will come straight to somebody, and they 400 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:43,240 don't even have to say a word. So it's, it's a pretty, pretty 401 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240 amazing revelation. You know, when you when you realize, as 402 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,580 you said in the beginning, sometimes it is that simple 403 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Robert Plank: and and as you keep saying, focus on your 404 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,060 strengths. Don't try to be someone that you're not. Don't 405 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:58,720 try to be less less Brown. If there are those attributes that 406 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,160 are within you that maybe aren't being utilized or covered up by 407 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,300 other things. Maybe, you know, explore that and unpack that. 408 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:09,780 And so as you're explaining all the these things, is there, 409 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:13,680 maybe not so much a quick fix, but an easy win? Is there 410 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,820 something that we could do at home and either do a quick 411 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,400 assignment or keep something in mind, so that way we can get a 412 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,940 little bit of a hint or a taste of what we can be. 413 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,660 Sandra Dee Robinson: What's interesting that sometimes the 414 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:31,880 people that come to me don't realize what their most 415 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,180 charismatic trait is. They don't really understand why people are 416 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,540 drawn to them. So I do a few different things when I work 417 00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:41,800 with people. I do a brand, personal branding assessment, 418 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:44,980 which is so interesting, because people will all of a sudden go, 419 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:47,740 Oh my gosh, that's me, you know, and I categorize them. We love 420 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:50,800 to be categorized for some reason. But if you're not going 421 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,260 to be working with me directly and doing the assessment, what 422 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:56,620 can you do? My first thing is ask the people that are closest 423 00:22:56,620 --> 00:23:01,080 to you how they would describe you. And you may be surprised. 424 00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:03,960 You know, give me three words to describe me, and when you get 425 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,620 those words back, you're like, really, I'm funny, really I'm 426 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:11,820 witty, really, I'm, you know, I'm dependable, like those 427 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:16,020 things we just assume are commonplace, when, really, 428 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:19,380 that's the extraordinary thing about us, and we tend to not see 429 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:21,720 it. It's same with our story. We think, well, my story is not 430 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,380 important. It's not extraordinary. It's not as good 431 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:26,840 as that person over there, and we compare with someone else. 432 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,900 It's a very dangerous thing to do, because everybody has a 433 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:33,380 story. Everybody has an amazing story. There's something you 434 00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:38,300 overcame that really highlights what you are strong in and and 435 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,680 how resilient you are, and how smart you are, and how creative 436 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,940 you are, whatever it is, and we can't forget that you have that 437 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,700 inside of you. Sometimes it takes a coach to be able to pull 438 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,700 it out, but I would start with asking the people closest to you 439 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:54,460 to get three words to describe you. It's very eye opening 440 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,580 Robert Plank: that's great in a number of ways, because we might 441 00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:01,500 be surprised, like, surprised in that it's not that, but then 442 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:04,200 also be like, Oh, it's this other thing that makes a lot of 443 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,620 sense. And then also, what I'm hearing from you is you get a 444 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:11,040 little bit of that validation. Like you said, it's easy to 445 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:16,200 downplay, discount the things we believe in, or our stories, or 446 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 the things about us. But then if we get that feedback of people 447 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,040 saying, well, no, this actually is interesting, then we can 448 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,680 continue on forward and not have to fake it till we make it, 449 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,160 because we got that data along the way. We mentioned a few 450 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,740 times that you you have these programs, you have these 451 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:34,460 retreats, and we're hoping that people are so impressed, and 452 00:24:34,460 --> 00:24:37,580 maybe their eyes have been open in some way that they want to 453 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:41,620 find out what you're all about and see how we can make take the 454 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:44,740 next steps. So can you tell us about these programs or these 455 00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:47,560 websites or ways that we can take action on some of this 456 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,760 important information? Yeah, 457 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,980 Sandra Dee Robinson: absolutely. First of all, I'm easy to find. 458 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:54,280 So you can google Sandra D, and it's Sandra D, like Sandra D, 459 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,480 like Sandra D is in grace. Sandra D, Robinson, and if you 460 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,260 Google me, I'll, you know, I'll. Pop up. I'm on Facebook a lot. 461 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:04,800 Actually, have a Facebook group there called Elevate, and you 462 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,800 can ask to join that, where I actually share a lot of these 463 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,620 lessons and things. And I once a once a week, I come on, I do a 464 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:13,320 little training in the group, and it's usually on something 465 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,540 related to what we're talking about. You know, it's going to 466 00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:17,640 help people free up. So that's one way, if you want to 467 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,240 experience the equine coaching, hey, if you're not, even if you 468 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,540 can't come to Austin and do it with me, then I would say, look 469 00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:25,940 up somewhere that you can do it, because I'd love to see more 470 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:29,180 people get out and do some some form of nature therapy. I think 471 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:33,440 it's amazing. But Sandra D robinson.com you can go there, 472 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,260 and that's pretty easy to find both my performance coaching and 473 00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:39,800 equine coaching. And I may be traveling with the equine 474 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,520 coaching this year, actually, because it does, you know, I'm 475 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,020 in Austin, and it does get to be 197 degrees and in May, so it's 476 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:50,140 a little uncomfortable for everybody. So I've been 477 00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:53,320 requested to do a little travel. I may be doing that. So if you 478 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,220 keep up with me and social media, LinkedIn, I'm not on 479 00:25:57,220 --> 00:26:01,320 Twitter so much, Instagram and Facebook. So if you keep up with 480 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960 me and I happen to come to your area, then definitely I want to 481 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,280 meet I want to meet you so 482 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,920 Robert Plank: well, great. All the more reason to subscribe, 483 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,280 right? Some people say, Well, I'll plug by one event in this 484 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,520 one podcast appearance. But it's better to get on the list. It's 485 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,220 better to get on social media, because things change so much. 486 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:20,580 And like you pointed out, it gets hot in the summer, right? 487 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:23,960 Some people Snowbird in the winter to go to a warm place. 488 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Maybe when it gets too hot, go over to a cold place. Who knows? 489 00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:32,600 So, Google, Sandra D, go to Sandra D. Robertson, Sandra D, 490 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:37,520 robinson.com, uh, follow Sandra on LinkedIn, Facebook, join that 491 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960 group and in general, look up the equine coaching. And one 492 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,460 last thing before we wind down, would I have heard of any of 493 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:48,400 these soap operas you've been on? I mean, I'm not the right 494 00:26:48,460 --> 00:26:49,840 gender, I'm not the right age. 495 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:53,680 Sandra Dee Robinson: I have a lot of guy fans. Come on now. 496 00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:56,560 Robert Plank: So what are like the top like, two or three 497 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,360 shows? I would have heard 498 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,440 Sandra Dee Robinson: of my first job. I was actually still living 499 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,860 at home in Pittsburgh, and I got the job on another world and I 500 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:07,200 played that character for all told, nine years I started, 501 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,960 there went. Six years left, came back. So I was on another world 502 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480 Sunset Beach full in the beautiful General Hospital. Days 503 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,140 of Our Lives. I moved to New Media once that started to kick 504 00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:19,260 in. And there's a show called The Bay, which has actually been 505 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,980 nominated by people who want, to get won some Emmys at this 506 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,520 point? Once I moved to Austin, they go and win Emmys, but it's 507 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,600 a great show. So I've been and then you'll see me on nighttime 508 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,060 shows. Those things still show up. So people will call me up 509 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:35,180 and say, I saw you on CSI, or I saw you went Two and a Half Men, 510 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:37,760 or I saw you on this so like, I'll still pop up in some of 511 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,740 those feeds for the nighttime stuff, but the soaps were a very 512 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:47,380 steady, great life for me for a while. I don't miss it, because 513 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:50,740 I'm kind of happy in my own skin. Now, you know, which makes 514 00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:54,940 me feel really good. I don't have to borrow a personality 515 00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:57,700 anymore, and that's kind of what I want for everybody that I work 516 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:00,900 with. I want them to really I want to illuminate that path so 517 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,020 that they can be the best that they can be, and really step 518 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:07,320 into who they're designed to be. So I feel like I've kind of 519 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840 moved away from that, but I'm still grateful for that time in 520 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,660 TV. It's it was fun, it's fun. I still have friends that contact 521 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:13,380 me from that. So 522 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440 Robert Plank: fantastic. Well, you had to start somewhere, and 523 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,300 you went on a path, and the path of being you then and going 524 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,540 through those experiences got to you to where you are now, and it 525 00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:26,180 seems like you're a working actress. So you're always in 526 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,000 something which I think is a lot more fun than someone who maybe 527 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,760 was on something forever ago and they did that one thing, and 528 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,780 then that's it like better to be on new things and have the new 529 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:40,540 experiences. So if you happen to see Sandra D Robinson on TV, on 530 00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:43,180 some of those nighttime shows, on the latest, who knows, 531 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:46,720 whatever CSI spinoff is coming out next. You can say that you 532 00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:49,960 you also saw her on the marketer of the day podcast. But in 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,100 general, equine coaching. Sandra D robinson.com anything to say 534 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,440 as we, uh, wrap up, shut down here. Sandra, 535 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,780 Sandra Dee Robinson: no, I think you know my best bit of advice. 536 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:02,640 How about that? You are not. You are not who others say you are, 537 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:06,300 and that is when they're putting you down, as well as when 538 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,480 they're telling you how awesome you are. You know who you are 539 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:12,420 and stick with that you are not who others say you are. 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