1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Robert Plank: Marketer of the Day episode, 726 manage 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,040 emotional stress, break the cycle of failure and banish 3 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:15,780 burnout with Janice Litvin. Hey everyone, and welcome back to 4 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:19,560 the marketer of the day podcast. We are here with Janice Litvin, 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,380 and she is going to help us not sweat the small stuff. She is 6 00:00:24,380 --> 00:00:28,880 going to help us get past those overreactions to stressful 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,080 events, overwhelm and so much more. She has a book coming out 8 00:00:33,140 --> 00:00:38,600 soon called banish burnout. Move from stress to success. And 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Janice Litvin has been working in the human resources industry 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,060 for over 20 years, first as a technology recruiter. After 11 00:00:46,060 --> 00:00:49,540 that, she decided to go back to school to study exercise science 12 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:53,320 and sports psychology, and she's now certified by the aerobics 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,740 and fitness Association of America. Janice helps 14 00:00:56,740 --> 00:01:01,500 organizations strategize ways to get their employees engaged and 15 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,620 stress free, in addition to getting them motivated to work 16 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:08,160 out and eat right now, she's a Zumba Fitness Instructor as well 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,400 as a wellness coach, coach with Weight Watchers, and she has 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,540 gone from an overly critical complainer to a calmer, more 19 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:18,780 rational person. So if any of this, or all of this, resonates 20 00:01:18,780 --> 00:01:21,200 with you and you're going to want to sit up and pay very 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,620 close attention to get some of those tips and tricks to be a 22 00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:27,200 better person and stop overthinking, stop stressing 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,600 out. So Janice, how the heck are you these days? 24 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:31,700 Janice Litvin: Thank you. I'm great. Thank you for having me. 25 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:33,260 Robert, glad to 26 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:35,420 Robert Plank: have you. And so I'm the kind of person where I 27 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:38,780 like to sometimes listen to a podcast interview or watch a 28 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:43,060 video, and then maybe in another tab, have that person's website 29 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:46,000 or some other resource open. Can you plug your website for us 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,180 here, so that way we can do our due diligence on you while 31 00:01:49,180 --> 00:01:49,960 listening to you. 32 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:52,780 Janice Litvin: Oh, sure. Of course. My website is Janice 33 00:01:52,780 --> 00:02:00,120 litvin.com spelled L, I T, V, like watch TV, I n.com. So 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,860 Janice litvin.com 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,340 Robert Plank: All right, and then when people go to Janice 36 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:10,740 litvin.com What kind of problems will they have solved there? Or 37 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:13,560 maybe, what problems will they be on their way to solving? And 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,900 what kind of problems do you think we'll be solving here 39 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:16,980 today in our conversation, 40 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:19,920 Janice Litvin: hopefully the answer will be the same for both 41 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:26,600 questions. They will learn how to manage their stress a little 42 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:32,360 bit better, so that they're not letting get letting the little 43 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,440 things ruin their day. You know, a lot of times we're stuck in 44 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,840 traffic. Of course, when we get back to work, we hopefully won't 45 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,660 be stuck in traffic too much, but sometimes we're stuck in 46 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:48,700 traffic or a long line at the coffee shop, or someone yells at 47 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:54,880 us at work or just treats us poorly, and it's very common to 48 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,360 overreact and just get really, really upset, especially if our 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,700 feelings are hurt, and it's important to remember that we 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,440 can control our feelings and our thoughts and our reactions, 51 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:11,160 Robert Plank: okay, and some of those things that you mentioned, 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,280 I don't, I don't know if something has changed. Maybe 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,060 it's older age, but I used to, I still overreact sometimes, but 54 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:20,840 used to overreact to the smallest thing, like you said, 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,440 someone cuts you off in traffic, or you think back to that, that 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,620 one painful memory from when you were eight years old, and then 57 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:29,780 you're thinking, why am I thinking about that? And then 58 00:03:30,020 --> 00:03:34,340 you feel bad about feeling bad, and it's a downward spiral. And 59 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:38,120 I don't, I still don't have a handle on of it, but I feel like 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,560 I'm a lot better, and I would like to continue getting better. 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,300 So why do we overreact and how can we get a better handle on 62 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:47,260 this? Well, 63 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:50,380 Janice Litvin: you may not realize it, Robert, but you hit 64 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,100 the nail on the head when you said, I flashed back to when I 65 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:58,240 was eight years old. That's exactly where our patterns come 66 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,120 from. From our childhood. You know, many of us had parents 67 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:07,440 that did the best they could, but they might not have realized 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,000 that being overly critical wasn't really helpful. It it cut 69 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,900 us down, and it made us feel not enough, not smart enough, not 70 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:19,860 pretty enough, not clever enough, whatever it was. And so 71 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,820 unfortunately, all that behavior got all tangled up with love. 72 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:31,280 And so as a child, you do the best you can, and you think you 73 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,860 follow those patterns because you don't know any better. 74 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:37,220 That's that's the love message, and you carry those into 75 00:04:37,220 --> 00:04:41,020 childhood. That's what I call Pat bringing your baggage to 76 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:46,240 work. And so unless you unpack that baggage and understand 77 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,080 where those patterns of behavior came from, you're going to 78 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,000 suffer from those patterns forever. 79 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:56,740 Robert Plank: And is there an easy jumping off point for 80 00:04:56,740 --> 00:05:00,780 unpacking that baggage a place to start? Is it talk? Therapy 81 00:05:00,780 --> 00:05:04,920 journaling. Where do we start to untangle this lifelong mess? 82 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Janice Litvin: Everything works, and I'm glad you brought that up 83 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,260 in my banish burnout toolkit that all your listeners can have 84 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:15,960 for free, and we'll tell you about it at the end or in the 85 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,560 notes. In that toolkit, I have something called a stress audit. 86 00:05:21,620 --> 00:05:25,580 It's sort of like a journal. It's very important to stop, 87 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:31,280 take a breath, observe our reactions and proceed. And I 88 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:35,720 borrowed that stop from John Cabot Zinn, the father of modern 89 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,120 day mindfulness. And the observed part is where the 90 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,040 stress audit fits in. We take a look at a reaction. So say, for 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,300 example, someone looked at you cross what crosswise at work. 92 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:52,360 And I know that's an extreme, silly example, but it's but it 93 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:56,320 brings up the point. So someone was angry at you or criticized 94 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,920 you, you're going to have a reaction. You're normal, you're 95 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,780 natural. We care very much about our personal relationships. It's 96 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,900 important to look at first of all, how did we react 97 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:09,960 physically? Sometimes you don't want to get in a big fight at 98 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 work, but your body will tell you when you're upset, you might 99 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,620 get knots in the stomach, clenched Jaws, headache, neck 100 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:23,780 ache, heart rate increases, you might start crying, or whatever 101 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:27,380 it is that your reactions to being upset. So you have a 102 00:06:27,380 --> 00:06:30,500 physical reaction, then you might have a verbal reaction. 103 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,740 You might go back to your desk and say, I can't believe that 104 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:38,180 person did this and that I just think that that was so wrong. 105 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:40,300 And here's what I wish I had said. So you have a lot of 106 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:44,320 verbal things going on, what you could say, what you what you 107 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,020 think you should have said, what you might have said. Then you 108 00:06:47,020 --> 00:06:50,560 have emotional reactions, sad, hurt, angry, frustrated, 109 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:55,240 whatever. Then you have what I call the exacerbating behavior, 110 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:02,040 which is, how angry did you get and how long did you stay there? 111 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:08,580 So in my former life of being an overreactor and complainer and 112 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:13,320 negative, I would get so upset, really, really upset, and then I 113 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,380 would stay there for five or six days, and I would complain and 114 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:21,380 complain to anybody that would listen, until one day, my son, 115 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:27,140 when he was 10, said to me, Mom, you know, you stay really angry 116 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:31,820 for a really long time. And that was like being hit over the head 117 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:34,700 with a ton of bricks. When your child observes something in your 118 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:37,340 behavior, you better pay attention. And he was quite 119 00:07:37,340 --> 00:07:41,440 intuitive. And so that's what I call exacerbating behavior 120 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:45,520 nowadays. It's not that I don't ever get upset, but I learned to 121 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:49,480 observe my reaction and try to grab control of my feelings 122 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,200 quicker. So I might, in the extreme case, I might stay upset 123 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,920 for an hour. In a really good day, I might only stay upset for 124 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,900 five minutes. And then the final piece is the addictive behavior, 125 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:06,420 which, as you know, is a huge topic, and you all know what the 126 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:09,120 addictions are. I don't want to break all those down for you 127 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,820 now, but just to say that many of us use those addictions to 128 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,260 stuff down feelings and to make us feel better. The problem is 129 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,940 the dopamine, or whatever, the happiness chemical that you get 130 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:27,440 from overeating, drinking, smoking, gambling, etc, is very 131 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,400 fleeting. It only lasts a few minutes, and that's why we need 132 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,900 another piece of cake or another drink or whatever it is, because 133 00:08:35,900 --> 00:08:40,100 we're addicted, and so we want to use the stress audit to help 134 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:42,760 us not need the addictions as much, 135 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:46,480 Robert Plank: okay? And this is some powerful stuff that we 136 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,320 have, like these, these huge recurring problems, the stress 137 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,640 keeps coming back. Use the the quick fix to maybe avoid 138 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,060 processing it and but then you get to stuck in the cycle over 139 00:08:58,060 --> 00:09:01,920 and over again. And the what I like about what you listed here 140 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,520 is it, it reminded me almost like when you when you listen to 141 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,900 one of those audios, to kind of meditate, to fall asleep, and it 142 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:13,860 tells you, you know, relax your ears and relax your shoulders 143 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:17,340 and relax your toes. And it kind of goes through the list, and as 144 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:20,780 you're as you're explaining like there's the the emotional and 145 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:23,780 there's the exacerbating and there's the physical symptoms. 146 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,160 It's like you're, you're you're putting a more detailed label on 147 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,380 it, right? You're not just saying, Oh, I'm mad or I'm 148 00:09:30,380 --> 00:09:34,460 enraged. It's like all these attributes so that we like it 149 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:37,400 goes back to like you were said. You observe yourself, you get a 150 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:43,240 much clearer, detailed picture of what being angry for six days 151 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,820 looks like. So that way you're not just attacking some vague 152 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:47,620 problem, right? 153 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,600 Janice Litvin: So what you're talking about with, probably 154 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,720 without knowing it, is the two, two of the key parts of the 155 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,160 brain when we get very upset, our amygdala, the fear, the 156 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,020 reptilian center, the fight or flight or freeze. Center begins 157 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:05,340 to take over when you have the observation moment and you're 158 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:08,520 journaling and you're writing down how you felt and how you 159 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,180 wish to feel. That's the prefrontal cortex, or the 160 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:16,140 thinking, executive functioning part of the brain when you 161 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:21,440 practice mindfulness or the tips in my stress audit, research 162 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,900 shows that the prefrontal cortex actually gets bigger and the 163 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:30,980 amygdala can get smaller. This also works when you practice 164 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:35,900 three good things, thinking about gratitude, even in a face 165 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:39,260 of a crisis like we're in now, if you can figure out something 166 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:43,300 you're grateful for, so that you can feel relief and you can feel 167 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:48,220 calm. There's no need to feel sad or angry all day, every day, 168 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,740 you can feel happy at least part of the day. 169 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Robert Plank: And that is one of those habits that every morning 170 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,260 listing three things you're grateful for. That's something 171 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:03,960 where I that was a habit. I wish that I stuck to better. Because 172 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,960 when I mean, like, you know, we all have kind of the emotions 173 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,420 going up and down sometimes, and sometimes we're we're stressed 174 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:12,120 out for like, kind of no good reason, right? Or maybe more 175 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,360 stressed out than when we should be or down in the dumps. And 176 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:18,840 reminding me that if it gets really bad for me, then I'll go 177 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,600 a few mornings in a row to to write down those, those three 178 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,480 things, of with gratitude. But I kind of, when I did it, I would 179 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,140 find myself kind of struggling, and I guess maybe that's, uh, 180 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,080 how it is at first, and sometimes maybe listing the 181 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,560 three things. So do you have any tricks with that, or is it just 182 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,100 a thing that you get better with as you go along? As far as, 183 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:44,740 like, thinking of things to be gratitude are grateful for every 184 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:45,280 morning. So 185 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,340 Janice Litvin: first of all, let me say there's no right answer. 186 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,900 If you can't, if you can only think of one thing, fine. I 187 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,020 mean, like every single day now, I wake up and say, Thank God I'm 188 00:11:56,020 --> 00:12:01,140 healthy, especially now, in general, they suggest, the 189 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:04,260 researchers suggest that you try to think of different things 190 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:06,960 every day. But if you wake up every day and say, Thank God I'm 191 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,640 healthy, that's fine. We're in a crisis. Thank God my family's 192 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,840 healthy. I have everything I need. My husband's working. I'm 193 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,500 working. We're not struggling financially. I thank God for 194 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:23,540 that every day. So even though they're repetitive, it puts me 195 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:27,020 in that positive mindset, and I know there are a lot of people 196 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:31,700 suffering right now, keeping the news on all day long, frustrated 197 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:37,460 by what our government isn't doing and what our doctors are 198 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:41,320 and aren't doing, it's important to remember to take a break from 199 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,620 the news, especially if it's all bad. You don't need to be 200 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:48,100 exposed to bad news all day long. If you feel like you need 201 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:50,860 to watch the news, watch it for one hour in the morning or one 202 00:12:50,860 --> 00:12:54,280 hour at night, and that's it. You don't have to be glued to 203 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,140 the TV. I don't think it's healthy to be filling up your 204 00:12:59,140 --> 00:13:03,180 mind with bad news all day long. Try to remember to go outside 205 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:06,780 and smell the coffee when the sun is shining. Get a breath of 206 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:11,520 fresh air. You need the vitamin D, and you need the happiness 207 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,980 chemicals you get from being outside. 208 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,460 Robert Plank: I agree that, yeah, there's so much, so many 209 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:20,420 good things in there that it does that the news especially 210 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:22,820 does not have to be all or nothing. If you have it on all 211 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:25,640 day, you don't have to shut it off for six days. Just ration 212 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,360 out that block of time. So that way you're not ignorant of 213 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,940 what's happening, but you're also not getting all the 214 00:13:32,060 --> 00:13:35,540 minutia, getting to and then you're also reminding me of that 215 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:39,260 kind of saying, of like, if you're if you're depressed, then 216 00:13:39,260 --> 00:13:42,220 there's the natural things that you want to do, right? If you're 217 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:45,340 depressed, you want to close the shades and lay in bed, but if 218 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:48,520 you do the opposite of what you feel like doing, go outside, get 219 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,860 the sunlight, the fresh air, then it will help you. So 220 00:13:50,860 --> 00:13:56,200 sometimes we have to go against what we naturally want to do and 221 00:13:56,380 --> 00:13:59,500 and all this kind of has me thinking about. So you said 222 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:03,660 earlier on that a lot of our baggage comes from childhood, 223 00:14:03,660 --> 00:14:07,440 right? Comes from our parents, maybe projecting, who knows what 224 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,980 onto us. I know that my dad, he'd be kind of mean to me, and 225 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:13,500 he said, Well, I'm trying to toughen you up so that way you 226 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:16,440 don't get bullied later in life. And then my mom was really pushy 227 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,560 as far as the academics, and she said, Well, you need to succeed 228 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,960 in life. So it was kind of two, two different, you know, ways of 229 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,800 pressuring me. And, you know, clearly we need to, you know, 230 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,340 back off and on and all that. But there's also the fear I have 231 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:35,480 a son coming in a few weeks. There's the fear of with kids 232 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,700 these days, when you hear about, you know, participation 233 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:40,100 trophies, there's the fear of going the other way, right? 234 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:43,480 There's the fear of not pressuring our children enough. 235 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,980 So is that a problem? Or is there a way to figure out that 236 00:14:47,980 --> 00:14:49,000 moderation there? 237 00:14:50,020 --> 00:14:53,320 Janice Litvin: Well, you chose an interesting word, and that 238 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:59,440 was pressure. I mean, sometimes we I hate to use that word, but 239 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,120 you're right. As a as a parent, not Thank God my son is grown 240 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,060 now, and I'm not dealing with all the stress that a lot of 241 00:15:06,060 --> 00:15:10,260 parents are dealing with right now, but sometimes it was 242 00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:13,680 pressuring to get my son just to even pick up the pen and do his 243 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,060 homework. When it comes to excelling or expectations, 244 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:22,460 unfortunately, we put our own desires and expectations on our 245 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,280 children, and I think it's important to remember that 246 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,340 they're individuals. They have their own strengths and 247 00:15:28,340 --> 00:15:31,880 weaknesses, and just because they don't make all A's doesn't 248 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,960 mean they're bad or less than or not accomplished or exceeding in 249 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,220 sports. Maybe we want them to be the star on the basketball team. 250 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,380 That might not be what their goals are. It's important to let 251 00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:48,400 a child thrive by being who they're meant to be. Yes, you 252 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,080 want them to learn structure and you want them to grow up to be 253 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,700 thriving adults who like other people and get along well and 254 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:01,560 get a job and maybe do some sports. But it's important not 255 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,480 to lay your trips of your expectations on them, but yet, 256 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:08,580 let them be who they're meant to be. 257 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,300 Robert Plank: Okay, let them be who they're meant to be. So that 258 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:16,140 way you're not just passing the same baggage down from you know, 259 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:20,120 1000s of years ago, every single generation is keeps passing the 260 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,940 buck, maybe it can finally stop. Yes, right? 261 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:26,600 Janice Litvin: I agree. But the other thing I wanted to add to 262 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,920 something you were saying a few moments ago, as much as I love 263 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,180 to exercise, I was very frustrated during the first week 264 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:37,640 and a half of Corona, or whatever you're going to call 265 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,460 this period of time. And I teach Zumba. And my family kept 266 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:45,220 saying, why aren't you doing a Zumba class on Zoom? Get out 267 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:48,340 there, do your zoom. And I was so against it, because I felt 268 00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:53,080 like it's not the same. You're not seeing the people, you're 269 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,920 not really interacting. But I broke down, and I started 270 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,300 teaching my Zumba class on Fridays to my regular Zumba 271 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:06,720 class free of charge, and I felt so good physically and from the 272 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,160 endorphins being happier, I felt so much better that I realized, 273 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:14,580 look, what I was missing for myself and my students. So now 274 00:17:14,580 --> 00:17:17,820 I'm in that habit of not only teaching my Zumba class, but 275 00:17:17,820 --> 00:17:21,320 taking other people's class and getting out and walking or 276 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,580 biking, it's really important to try to stay as healthy as 277 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:28,280 possible and feel good physically. 278 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:37,040 Robert Plank: You could call it a Zumba class, right? But I do 279 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,080 what I can, and you're so right that it's important for us to to 280 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,500 try new things or revisit old things. I know that if I go a 281 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:47,860 day without taking a long walk around the neighborhood, I just 282 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:51,100 feel I feel worse for I don't know, I don't know why, and then 283 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:54,160 I pick up that habit again, and I feel better. And like you 284 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,100 said, there's that. And at the moment that we're recording 285 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:00,720 this, there's crazy coronavirus things happening. Who knows how 286 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,500 long it will last, but a lot of things need to be done online, 287 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:09,000 and it's easy to just discount that and say, Oh, well, now the 288 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,900 Zoom class is online. I won't even bother. Why not try it? 289 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:16,560 Sure it won't be 100% like in person, but it might be a good 290 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,580 enough approximation. It's better than than nothing. And in 291 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:25,160 the spirit of people trying new things to maybe break some 292 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,600 patterns or getting some better results, what do you have for us 293 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,740 today? What new things should we try? What website should we go 294 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:36,860 to? How do we get your book? Tell us all about it. 295 00:18:37,220 --> 00:18:40,180 Janice Litvin: Okay, let me get to the last question first, so 296 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:44,380 we don't forget. If people want to get the workbook that goes 297 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:48,520 with the book, I wrote the workbook first, they can 298 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:54,460 download it at the banish not the banish burnout toolkit.com. 299 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,960 You will be asked for your email address. I don't send out a lot 300 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,460 of emails, maybe once a month. Maybe I'm not one of those 301 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:05,880 people that is constantly barraging your in basket. I get 302 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,580 too many emails, and I don't want to do that to anybody else. 303 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,240 Plus you can always unsubscribe, but we do like to track who's 304 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,480 downloading it so that we can answer questions and keep in 305 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,080 touch for future events. So that's the banish burnout 306 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,440 toolkit. Other new things you bring up a good point. I noticed 307 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:28,100 on Facebook that a couple of friends had posted some free 308 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:35,000 resources online, free opera, free museum exhibits like the 309 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,260 Monterey Bay Aquarium in Monterey, California, had some 310 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:43,180 free live streams. And children love it, and parents love it 311 00:19:43,180 --> 00:19:47,620 too. You can see the baby sharks, and then the free opera, 312 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,660 even some free Broadway theater. So I'm sure if you Google free 313 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:59,200 streaming theater, music, museums, whatever, then you can 314 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,200 see. Some interesting events. The other thing I would add is, 315 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:08,460 as much as I hate the idea of not being able to see my friends 316 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:13,200 and get together with people, we are doing zoom chats and zoom 317 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,220 dinners, it's a little weird, because your computer is like a 318 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:19,920 member of the family. They have their own place at the table 319 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,060 your laptop, so you can see the other people, and then they have 320 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:26,060 their food, and you have your food, but you can still 321 00:20:26,060 --> 00:20:31,220 socialize during this very strange time. I'd love to add 322 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:37,100 one thought, and that is, it will end. It's very frustrating 323 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:41,380 right now, but if you can see to the future, hopefully by June 1, 324 00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:45,760 but nobody knows we will get through this. We will come out 325 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,500 stronger, we will be resilient, and we will be better people 326 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,960 when it's over, because we will have learned a lot of lessons 327 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,580 about ourselves and our life and even protecting our environment. 328 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,860 Robert Plank: Fantastic. I agree completely. This is it might be 329 00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:05,280 a little scary, but for the most part, it's an adventure of self 330 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,180 discovery that we are all going through, adapting in these ways, 331 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:13,680 like eating zoom and while eating dinner with other people. 332 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:19,200 But also sort of not. If you got a lot out of our conversation 333 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,740 today, the place to go is banish burnout toolkit.com to get that 334 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:28,040 excellent resource that Janice mentioned and then Janice 335 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:33,560 litvin.com to find out about ways that you can manage stress, 336 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:37,160 overcome burnout, and just stop making things so hard on 337 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,000 yourself. Be the person that you're meant to be, unpack that 338 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,500 baggage. It won't be an overnight process, but it's what 339 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:48,880 I know that you need to do. So why not get started on it today? 340 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,700 Because otherwise, a year from today, you'll wish that you'd 341 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:55,780 started today. Janice, lippen.com, and banish burnout 342 00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:59,440 toolkit.com. Any final parting thoughts to add here, Janice, 343 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,260 before we wrap up wind down here, 344 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Janice Litvin: I just one find me on LinkedIn, because I'm 345 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,120 very, very active. I've been posting almost every day little 346 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,140 short videos to help you feel better, and I respond to every 347 00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:16,320 single person that connects with me and let me know where you 348 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,960 found me. And connect with me. Message me or respond to one of 349 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,980 my posts, and I'll be happy to respond. Fantastic. 350 00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:29,660 Robert Plank: That is Janice Litvin on LinkedIn. J, I n, i C, 351 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:34,820 E, L, I T, V, I n.com, thanks for taking the time today. 352 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Janice Litvin: I'm sorry, Robert. J, a n, I C E, Janice, 353 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:38,780 oh, 354 00:22:38,780 --> 00:22:43,000 Robert Plank: did I misspeak? J, a, n, i, C, E, so sometimes you 355 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,820 see a letter and the voice is something different. Yes. Lit 356 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:46,120 fan, 357 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,580 Janice Litvin: yes. Thank you so much for having me. I really 358 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:52,360 love being here. Thanks for taking the time. My pleasure. 359 00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:59,320 Robert Plank: Please subscribe, rate and review our show at 360 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,020 marketer of the day.com/itunes, and like us on Facebook at 361 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:07,260 marketer of the day.com/facebook, you.