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Charles Crenshaw: Hi, Robert,
hey, Charles,

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Unknown: how's it going?

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Pretty good.

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Robert Plank: Pretty Glad to
hear it. What's your website?

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Eliminate

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Charles Crenshaw: your
block.com.

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Robert Plank: Ooh. Eliminate
your block.com. And what do we

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need to know about eliminate
your block comment about you as

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we're jumping into this podcast
interview. I

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Charles Crenshaw: am a
hypnotist, a consulting

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hypnotist, NLP practitioner, EFT
practitioner, and I help people

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with everyday problems to
resolve them using those tools.

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And I am the author of two
books. One book is EFP for

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meditation, and the other book
is a biography of my 40 years, a

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memoir of my 40 years practicing
meditation. It's called pathless

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path. God grace, Guru,

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Robert Plank: Alright, ready to
jump in see what happens. I'm

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ready. All right, here we go.
Hey, everyone. We are talking

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with Charles Crenshaw from
eliminate your block.com Charles

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is all about you and solving
your everyday problems with

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hypnotism, with NLP, natural
language processing, with EFT,

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Emotional Freedom Technique, and
we are going to be tackling your

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problems today and talking about
how Charles can help you.

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Charles has two books out. He
has EFT for meditation, and he

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has pathless path. Charles, glad
to be talking to you. I

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Charles Crenshaw: have to talk
to you. And just to clarify,

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it's Neuro Linguistic
Programming. Oh, no. What did I

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say? Natural.

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Robert Plank: Oh, it was like a
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okay, so, so one more time,
Neuro Linguistic Programming,

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yes, all right, so we're on the
same page. And as far as this

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whole Neuro Linguistic
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people have heard of it, or they
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they have a weird understanding
of what it is. So when we throw

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out these weird, crazy terms,
like Neuro Linguistic

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Programming, what the heck is
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Charles Crenshaw: So it is
something that was developed

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based on two guys, actually, it
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who who modeled a famous
hypnotist named Milton Erickson.

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He was a psychiatrist. They saw
his tools, and they refined them

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into a couple of techniques,
methods. And so out of that,

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developed this neuro linguistic
programming to make a long story

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short, fantastic.

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Robert Plank: And so this kind
of, I don't know if you caught,

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like a, like a spooky science or
like a scientific thing, kind

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of, like, we're fine and
repurposed. What are the

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advantages benefits of it? What
sorts of things does this do for

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people? Okay,

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Charles Crenshaw: so Milton
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the process, again, has evolved
out of hypnotism. How did Milton

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Erickson do this work to
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helping people to stop grinding
their teeth or biting their

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nails or again, he had more
being a psychiatrist. He had

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more mental health issues, but a
layperson like myself doesn't

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deal with, you know, bipolar
disorders and things of that

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nature. So just things everyday
people are having problems with

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not getting off the off the
button and doing things or

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smoking and things of that
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conjunction with hypnosis, EFT,
which is how I use them, you

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know, as as a little quad, to
help people solve their

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problems. The NLP is most
fascinating because it has been

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most readily looked at by my
mentors and things like that, as

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a little mind hacks, if you
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screen now and then the screen
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of your mind, and you have ideas
and habits stored in different

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places in the screen of your
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your skill for getting something
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screen of your mind, in this
analogy, you can take something

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you are not successful with,
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with, and if you will borrow
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screen of your mind where you
have success and attach it to

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that new thing you want to
develop. And that's a really

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interesting way that NLP helps
you with the brain hack to help

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you understand how your mind
works. We all have. These

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customary ways that we deal with
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taste, touch, etc, with the
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involved. If we know, for
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lady came and she wanted to lose
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wanted a whole weight loss
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eating the cookies she was
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house alone at home at night. So
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NLP to have her help herself.
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return herself instead of going
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when you come home, okay? And in
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she retrained her Zig to a zag,
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and immediately start making
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that these tools like NLP can do
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things. For instance, people
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that phobias are something that
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psychologist or something like
this for a long time. Well, in

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NLP and in EFT, Emotional
Freedom Technique. There are

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ways to resolve a phobia,
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oftentimes in less than a half
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time than that. And people go,
it's not possible. I'm going,

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Yeah, I'm saying it it's
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things that are important for us
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on this is, I was trained in
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meditation teacher. And people
ask me, How do I connect these

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things? And the thing about
learning about yourself learning

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that you have the capacity for
self regulation, something that

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we're not told we have the
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And there are tools that we can
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So they all connect for me and
truth told, they're taking us

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the basis and these other things
are tools to help you get

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through, maybe blocks in your
meditation, but all these things

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will help you to live a more
abundant life, fearless life.

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Robert Plank: Well, fantastic.
And when you're explaining about

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the the possibilities and the
the way that this can work, what

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comes to mind is, this is just
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approach, right? It's not, it's
not magic. It's not, I know

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always fix that that works every
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there of how it's, uh, it's
about like, like you regulating

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yourself that you don't
necessarily need, like, a drug

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or years of therapy. There's yet
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problem that that might be
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something that you're ready to
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been fixed, like baking and
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specific as that and and needing
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having these phobias. Maybe for
some people out there, nothing

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else has worked, or nothing else
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possibilities are a little bit
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avenue that people can can
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is even the way you were
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your imagination for the
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because it's, it's always, it's
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the downside or worry or think
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some of the things that you're
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you have this, this box over
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there, and you can pluck, borrow
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there. That all sounds like a
lot of fun. That sounds really,

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interesting, and it seems like
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solved that maybe otherwise
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Charles Crenshaw: this is true.
One of the things my background

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in graduate school holistic
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I'm a lay person, okay, but the
idea here is that you bought the

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point about people the last
resort. People will often use

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the holistic approach as a last
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You know to understand. For
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client who came in and she was
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establishment as having General
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paradigm, that is absolutely and
totally something that's her

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self regulation skills can
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nothing. Now it's not. Not that
simple for everyone, because,

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again, we're not discounting the
fact that some people really

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need the intervention of the
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and things like this. But the
average person, and this lady I

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deem as an average person,
they're diagnosed with things

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that they have the capacity to
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this is I had the opportunity of
working in India in the

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foothills of the Himalayas, at a
charitable hospital, and the

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physicians would send to me
people with hypertension. Now

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the standard rule is,
Hypertension is something, well,

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we're sorry you have this. You
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of the time is stress related,
and some of the simple tools

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that we teach can resolve it.
Case in point is a little lady

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coming from a village. She
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is virtually nil. I can be nice.
I can be polite. Okay? He came

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through the through an
interpreter. She came for three

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sessions. At the end of the
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the end of the third session,
the doctor said you no longer

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have hypertension, whatever he
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that. You will never have to
come back here for this. So I

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know not only from Objective
understanding of things, but my

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own personal I like to say,
inside your very own laboratory,

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you have the capacity to do the
experiments and verify the

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things that we say, that we
teach, because I don't want you

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to believe anything that I say,
everything you can verify in

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your own laboratory. And so
this, this idea that we are

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dependent upon something outside
ourselves all the time is not

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true, and that's one of the
things that I am very, very

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adamant about, as you can tell
so, so we need to know this, and

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we need to help ourselves. And
then when we need external

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intervention, oftentimes it's
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as I've seen working in holistic
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nature under the guidance of
physicians. So these things are

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important, this self regulatory
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And hypnosis and EFT are things
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access that if you don't even
have any idea. And actually here

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I can do this with you, and so
you can directly experience what

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I'm talking about. I want you to
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don't know if you I know you
know what EFT is, because you,

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you just came right up with
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But I don't know if you know one
significant aspect of this,

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which I can demonstrate to you
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Robert Plank: The only thing I
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described it to me as like you,
you put your hands on your face,

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and you try different things,
and maybe if you put your hands

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here, you'll feel better, but
not here, and then repeat that.

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So that's okay. Literally, all I
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your hands touching your face.
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Charles Crenshaw: so your hands
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not totally. So let's do this.
It'll take, it'll take minute

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and a half, two minutes. Okay,
so just follow me. Okay, hold a

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hand up, doesn't matter which
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it like this. Yep, just like
that. Now let's pause. I want

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you to know inside your body how
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any tightness you've been
talking for a while, how your

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breath is, stuff like this,
okay, and then tap here. Okay,

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we're going to do this, and
we're going to note how you feel

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afterwards. For the very top of
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head, very top. Tap, okay. The
end of the hair of the eyebrow.

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The end of the hair of the
eyebrow, you have two of them,

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so you can do one or both. Tap,
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the eye, around the bone here,
the corners of the eye, so

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halfway between the corners of
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underneath the eye on the bone,
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underneath the eye there, yes,
underneath, yeah, okay,

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underneath the nose, In the
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lip and the chin. Okay. The next
one, find your collarbone. Find

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your collarbone. Come down to
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No, come down to where you find
a little knot in the collarbone.

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Right there? A little knot. When
you get to the end of it, you

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find it, I think so. Okay, so if
you found the knot, then go down

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to soft tissue. Move your hand
down to soft tissue, right

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there. Tap. That's the general
area. I spend too much time

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getting too precise. Hand
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this, bottom edge of your hand.
Know where your bottom edge Your

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hand is. Make a little the
bottom edge. Hand pat with your

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fingers like this, okay, and
then fingers across your wrist

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like this, this Pat, turn the
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the bones here in the palm of
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yep, tap, okay, then scroll
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the hand, side of the hand,
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other side. There you go. Not
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all right, yeah. Top of the
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of the head, the end of the hair
of the eyebrow, the corners of

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the eye, underneath the eye, on
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eye,

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underneath your nose, the dimple
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find that knot at your
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soft tissue and tap. That's
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second rib. But we won't go
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tissue. And underneath the arm,
snug bottom edge of the hand,

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tap, Pat at the bottom edge of
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and then across the wrist, turn
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bones here. Now, subjectively,
how do you feel compared to how

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you felt before we did this
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Robert Plank: I feel about 30%
happier, more energy, just

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perkier.

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Charles Crenshaw: Okay, so, so
that's how you experience this

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phenomenon. We use this tool
again, in conjunction with we

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know scientifically that we have
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your body. We know that so that
can be how and you're

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registering it as more joyous,
etc, etc. But we know

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scientifically, we've done that.
So we use these tools to help

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people to as a self regulation
tool. But we use also, there's

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more to it. There's a cognitive
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hypnosis, we use these things to
help people solve their everyday

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problems, and they're painless
tools, and they're and they're

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effective tools.

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Robert Plank: And what makes
that makes me think of is

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there's so many times that we're
all in when we need to be in the

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right state, right when we need
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something that requires, like, a
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I'll sit down and do a lot of
programming, or, like, even,

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like, we're doing this kind of
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There's some days when I wish
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1015, podcast episodes in a row.
I could just do all kinds of

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showing up, all kinds of
interviews. And there's so many

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times when I hesitate to
schedule something later in the

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future, because I think, well,
that's unpredictable. Like, I'll

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say, well, on Wednesday, I'll do
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by Wednesday, I'll be in a
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seems like, if we plan to, like,
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exercises, get ourselves in
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maybe on a repeat basis, leading
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kind of show up and and be our
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with our commitments, actually
be excited about the thing that

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we were excited about five days
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Charles Crenshaw: right? That's
this. These are tools that

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definitely can help you do this.
There is the thing of Self

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Hypnosis. And again, my my
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compared to self hypnosis, but
both of those things, they're

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using the same modalities to a
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of your breath and how your
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and your capacity to be
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with self hypnosis, give
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put yourself in a calm state,
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suggestion to do your best. It's
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went along with the secret,
except there was, there was one

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thing missing, in my opinion,
one of two things missing in the

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whole secret phenomenon, you
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that we do in hypnosis and these
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their what is it that you want
out of our session, and not what

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you want? You have to state it
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you already have achieved it.
And then we work from there. We

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don't work. We don't work. From
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We work. I am on Robert's
podcast. Okay, so what do we

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need to do to get there? What's
holding you back? These are the

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tools that we use in
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are the the platform. This is
the template that we use to help

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accomplish the ends. And again,
it's just things that average,

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everyday people are working
with. It's nothing

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extraordinary, you know, again,
from anything from smoking, the

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people who come say, I know that
things are holding me back. One

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of the things has come into play
recently and not so recently,

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but this adverse childhood
experiences, okay, if, if you

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came from a family that was
broken up because of divorce, if

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you came from a family where now
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addict, and things of this
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little kids. And those things,
when you get older, they kind of

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hinder you. You know, you're
trying to figure out, why am I

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not getting ahead? Why am I not
and these tools of meditation,

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that's the groundwork for me,
hypnosis. NLP, EFT, those things

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are things that can help you
make the change in your life

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that makes a difference, but you
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that's the important thing for
me. My thing isn't, isn't

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helping people and helping
people to help themselves,

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because it's the old story. You
don't give a person a fish or

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help them to fish. So there you
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Robert Plank: Right? And who
else can you really count on?

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Right? Someone else is not going
to solve your problems for you.

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No one else knows you better
than you know yourself, so you

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might as well be aware of these
tools that are out there, and I

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like the way you put it a few
minutes ago. Of just experiment,

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right? Like you don't have to
necessarily be completely sold

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on this idea right away. Just
try it and see how you like the

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results. And if you didn't like
it, don't continue using it. If

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you do like it, then this can be
a useful tool to use again and

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again. So you

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Charles Crenshaw: know, that's
that's a good point, because one

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of the things I tell people when
they ask me, what about this

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hypnosis thing? I said, what
we're teaching you just to use

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your imagination, your ability
to concentrate and your innate

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intelligence to tap into the
your own resources to help you

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accomplish your goal. You're
not. I'm not. You're not

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accomplishing anything for me
and and I don't want to be

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somebody you're always coming to
Here are the tools, okay? And we

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hope you access them and teach
you how to access them on your

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own continually, if that is your
interest. Oftentimes, I have

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people who come for smoking
cessation and they just, yeah,

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I'm done. That's it. And so
fine, okay. But interestingly

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enough, in this time of covid,
I've done sessions online, which

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is most fascinating having, you
know, having hypnosis

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interventions with people as far
away as India and, you know,

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California, wherever it is. So
it's most fascinating to me how

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thieves are extraordinary tools.
And, you know, in these

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extraordinary times.

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Robert Plank: And you've been,
you did it with me over zoom

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right just now we we
demonstrated it live. And so

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we've mentioned a lot of these,
these tools, there's NLP,

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there's EFT, and then, as we're
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end of our conversation, we
mentioned a few times self

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hypnosis. I want to make sure
that, like, I even understand

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what that is, because I've heard
about or I've used, like, you

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know, there's like meditation,
and there's like mindfulness and

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things like that. And there's,
you know, listen to listening to

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a hypnosis induction audio off
of YouTube. But like self

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hypnosis, I'm not exactly sure
what exactly that means. So in

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these last few minutes, can you
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Charles Crenshaw: I want to say
that meditation is one of the

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places that self hypnosis
evolved from. Okay? So only

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difference between self hypnosis
and meditation is is that you're

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going to take yourself to a
similar place. There's if we

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think about brain waves, going
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set of brain waves, and they
normally equate that, generally

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speaking, with theta. Okay,
going to take yourself by means

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of sub hypnosis to the same
brain ways where meditation

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happens, so this place and
you're going to give yourself

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affirmation or suggestion. Okay,
that that's its difference

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between self hypnosis and
meditation. Meditation has a

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much deeper influence and impact
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that self hypnosis skill can
help you to accomplish a lot a

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lot of things. Okay, so it's
easy to do. It's just just

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requiring you. Mostly, you will
note how you felt before you did

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the low tapping thing, how you
thought afterwards. You felt

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calm. You actually went to if we
tap maybe a little longer, and

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we weren't in this situation
where you need to. Be on, you

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would have gone into a slight
trance. You go into a space

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where it actually might have set
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you could then say, Okay, I am
fully revived and ready to take

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care of the next five interviews
for my podcast and and then you

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have a queue. We imposed a cue
to lock it in. And that's self

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Robert Plank: And that's
amazing, because there's so many

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times when, when, like, when I
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it's vague, and it frustrates me
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I wish there was, like, a custom
thing specifically for jumping

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into the podcast interviews. It
seems like that's, that's what

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this is, right? If we can create
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Charles Crenshaw: yeah, yeah.
And then, and then for you just,

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you know, if you you kept in
between those things, just, just

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the thing you just did to calm
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because the there's there's
there's more to it. That was a

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little brief thing. Again, we
write about it in our book EFT

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for meditation, about the whole
aspect of yoga science. But

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that's a whole other thing,
because it relates to meditation

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and these hypnosis and things
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gleaned from what the the
ancients knew about the mind,

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etc, so it's most fascinating to
me. And I enjoy it because it's

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fascinating, and it's
fascinating to me to help people

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to tap into themselves,
neighborhood, really, I can do

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this. Wow, yeah,

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Robert Plank: and it's
fascinating how, like you

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mentioned, there's, sometimes
there's a one off problem to be

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solved, like smoking, or there's
a lifelong problem to be solved.

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And there's, there's the aspect
of, at first they might need

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your help, but then it's like,
they can pick it up. And it's

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just like, Now you talked about
how to fish. Now they can go and

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catch the fish and solve these
problems at any time. And so if

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people's curiosity is peaked,
like how mine is now, and people

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want to know about this book
that we're mentioning, and your

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website and how people can
contact you, what are the next

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steps here? Where should people
go after listening to a

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conversation today?

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Charles Crenshaw: So they can go
to eliminate your blog.com, and

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there, the most important thing
is the phone number, which is

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317-525-6539,

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because a 15 minute free
consultation can let me know how

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we can help you, and we can do
zoom the and again all over the

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world. I'm stationed in the
Midwest, but all over the world,

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we can do these things and help
you, just almost immediately,

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right away. And the books, my
books, are on Amazon, EFT for

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meditation and pathless path God
gave grace, Guru, they're both

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on Amazon and available for for
purchase. So eliminate your

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block, com and 317-525-6539, and
see how to learn these skills.

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For me, to help you learn these
skills, you can help yourself

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Robert Plank: an exciting new
adventure some people are are

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about to embark on, going to
eliminate your block.com and

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then rewind a little bit and
catch that phone number. Give

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Charles a call and check out
what's on his website. Check out

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his book. This is something
where you can just dab a little

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bit and see where it gets you.
And if he gets you more and

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more, there's a whole rabbit
hole of many different exciting

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possibilities, any, any final,
last sentence, last word, as we

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shut this down here, Charles,

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Charles Crenshaw: the last word
would be that you do have the

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capacity to help yourself, and
you are the architect of your

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own destiny. Do.