1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,160 Robert Plank: Hello. Hey everyone, and welcome back to 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,700 the marketer of the day podcast. And we are here with someone 3 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:10,020 super famous representative from MindMeister, which creates mind 4 00:00:10,020 --> 00:00:13,080 maps. Her name is Michelle Mattis, and Michelle is the 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,040 Product Marketing Manager for MindMeister, which is the market 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,720 leading mind mapping software platform from Meister. Now 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,140 MindMeister enables over 20 million users to brainstorm, 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,100 collaborate and plan projects in a fun and visual way. So we will 9 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:31,580 be finding out all about mind maps, why to use them, why 10 00:00:31,580 --> 00:00:35,660 MindMeister is different, and how specifically they're a great 11 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:38,360 tool for podcasters and presenters. So Michelle, glad to 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,080 be talking to 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Michelle Manus: you. Yeah, great to be here. Thanks so much for 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:41,920 having me. 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,340 Robert Plank: Glad to have you so. I mean, if I knew nothing 16 00:00:45,340 --> 00:00:49,840 about MindMeister, Mind Mapping, what would you tell me, to get 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,460 me on board with all this cool stuff? 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,660 Michelle Manus: Sure. So mind mapping is a fantastic visual 19 00:00:55,660 --> 00:00:58,900 way to essentially be more creative and productive. 20 00:00:59,620 --> 00:01:02,520 MindMeister is an online mind mapping solution, like you said. 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,920 So basically, it helps you create visual essentially spider 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,100 maps or different things that you can brainstorm and ideate 23 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:15,960 and really develop and grow ideas. It's a fantastic resource 24 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,440 for creative people. It's a fantastic resource, resource for 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,020 educators and schools, and we really find a lot of use for it, 26 00:01:24,020 --> 00:01:27,920 also in a collaborative space with businesses trying to build 27 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,140 and create new and creative ideas. 28 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:33,200 Robert Plank: Well, like, yeah, and it's cool because it reminds 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,740 me of, like, doodling on a piece of paper or playing on the 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,220 whiteboard, and, you know, drawing like, you know, circles 31 00:01:40,220 --> 00:01:43,840 and connecting lines. But then, when you, when you do it by 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,860 hand, it's hard to change things around, right? You draw 33 00:01:47,860 --> 00:01:51,040 something in pan, and we might have to erase it, and it's, it's 34 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,800 messy, and maybe later on, I want to pile in 10 different 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,040 things. And like, it took me a while to get on board with the 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,980 whole mind mapping thing. Like I hated in school when teachers 37 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:02,640 called it brainstorming, and they said you have to have this 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,520 bubble and have these things underneath it. And then I saw a 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,420 lot of people like, go crazy with mind maps and make a whole 40 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:14,100 mess, but me personally, like, I really like the idea of using 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,120 mind maps to just like, pile in ideas and like, categorize 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,080 things and then figure out the hierarchy and then throw out 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,520 what didn't fit, and I end up getting to a place where I 44 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,880 wouldn't have gotten otherwise. And I think a lot of it is like, 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 at least for me, like, it frees up the, I don't know, like, the 46 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,080 pressure on the brain, because if you're if you're writing a 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,860 list or you're typing, it feels more official. But then with 48 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:43,900 mind maps. And with MindMeister, it's pretty, it's colorful, and 49 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:47,080 it kind of, I don't know, it makes it fun. So, I mean, have 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,200 you experienced something similar, or seen your customers 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,380 kind of just like, say, like, well, it's more fun, and then it 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,200 unlocks the creativity that way. Oh, for 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,300 Michelle Manus: sure, yeah. So exactly what you're saying. So 54 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:01,260 you can do mind mapping with anything, as long as you have a 55 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,260 writing tool and something to write on, whether it be a 56 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:06,900 whiteboard or a piece of paper. And I think a lot of people are 57 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:09,600 familiar with that. I mean you, I think do it innately. When 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,380 you're doodling a new idea, you kind of are drawing it at the 59 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:16,080 center of it. So basically a mind map is the idea at the 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,500 center, and then you kind of draw ideas off of it. So it's 61 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:23,540 really basic. You can do it with anything. But the cool thing 62 00:03:23,540 --> 00:03:26,780 that I think you noted on with online mind mapping is that, 63 00:03:26,780 --> 00:03:29,780 like, you don't have the mess. So what you can really do is you 64 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:32,900 can go wild and you can add all of these ideas. You can use 65 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,600 quick keys so it's super efficient, and you're able to 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,200 kind of jot down just stream of consciousness or keywords or 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,880 just different ideas. You can even Doodle in MindMeister. So 68 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,880 you're able to really, kind of be really free and creative and 69 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,320 kind of have this explosive brain dump, if you will, and 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,440 then you're able to actually go in and reorganize. And so you 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,980 can kind of drag and drop, you can start to structure your 72 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:00,120 ideas in a way that makes sense. So, you know, I think a lot of 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,180 us are super familiar with post it, and you can write all of 74 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:05,820 these different ideas in and stick them all up on the board, 75 00:04:06,060 --> 00:04:09,120 and then you come to the idea that you actually have to then 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,320 transcribe all of that into something, and it takes ages. 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,920 And then you, I think, lose that creative energy with it. So with 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,160 MindMeister, you're able to actually do it all in one place. 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,520 You're able to do the brain dump. You can do it together 80 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,480 with people. So you can collaboratively brainstorm in 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,840 MindMeister in real time, so adding ideas together, and then 82 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:34,100 really start to organize it and see the connections. And I think 83 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:37,820 that that's the biggest part of Mind Mapping. It's, yeah, you 84 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:40,120 can use it in school, but I think we see a lot of our 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,120 customers are using it in a business setting when they 86 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,960 really want to be strategic and find really unique solutions to 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,900 problems. Because if you're writing it, writing something 88 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:53,500 down, you don't necessarily see and visualize the connections. 89 00:04:53,740 --> 00:04:56,500 And with a mind map, you're able to kind of start to lump ideas 90 00:04:56,500 --> 00:05:01,080 together. You can then start to see, maybe, you know. Idea a 91 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,800 aligns with idea why, and you can put them together in a 92 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,620 really cool way that you wouldn't really be able to do if 93 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:10,380 you were writing it on a piece of paper where it gets really 94 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:13,980 messy and you're not able to be as mobile and dynamic as you 95 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,440 would be in an online mapping solution. 96 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:20,040 Robert Plank: Well, I agree completely. Like, again, we're 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,480 talking about how, like, school, at least for me, school sucked. 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,880 And then one thing that sucked is, like, you're saying how when 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,820 you have, like, post it notes or index cards, and you had to 100 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:32,240 break out the glue stick and the scissors and the marker, and it 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,500 felt like it, it wasted so much time. And then I guess I'm just 102 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:39,200 not, like artistically inclined, because whenever I had to do any 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,360 kind of, like arts and crafts like that, and present ideas. It 104 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,000 always looked ugly, and I always, like, messed something 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,620 up, and I would be focused more on just how I would just kind of 106 00:05:50,620 --> 00:05:53,020 sloppily make something, and I'm like, well, I should be focusing 107 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:56,440 more on the content and the way that you describe it. They're 108 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,860 like, you're reminding me that, like, the whole idea of, like 109 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:04,320 finding the connections. It's like, there's what you think 110 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,620 exists in your head, but then once you get it down on paper, 111 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:10,500 and then you, like, refine it a few iterations, then it takes on 112 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,680 a life of its own. And like, you're making me think of, like, 113 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,520 there are so many, like, big problems in my business that 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,120 sometimes I need solving, that need to be broken down. And so, 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,200 like, there was a time when I was, like, putting out a video 116 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,200 every day. It's a short video, but then in order to do that, 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,840 you have to have like, kind of like a backlog. And I was and I 118 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:33,080 was like, Well, geez, I need, like, 365 videos. And I was 119 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,260 overwhelmed. And I was like, Well, how about was like 100 and 120 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,080 I'm still overwhelmed. But then I thought, well, what if I 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,400 thought of like, 10 categories or ideas. And that was, like, 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,880 one level of the mind map. And then if I thought of like level 123 00:06:45,940 --> 00:06:49,060 number two underneath each of those, and I thought, well, huh, 124 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:53,560 there's like 10 buckets, and then I have 10 like sub nodes 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,460 underneath those, then that's, that's something I can chip away 126 00:06:57,460 --> 00:07:00,300 at. And then, like, break down the problem, like, like, smaller 127 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:03,720 and smaller and so, and like we were saying, you can kind of 128 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,500 drag and drop, and it's fun, and then, um, and so I use that tool 129 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:11,640 for I kind of tool for a while. And, like, I used a few, but I 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,940 ran into the something, the problem lacking, what you just 131 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:18,360 mentioned a few minutes ago, was the collaboration, right? I 132 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,800 would dump a bunch of things and have to, like, save it and send 133 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,620 this file over, and they don't have to edit it. And then for 134 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:28,400 the longest time, and like, years ago, I was looking for 135 00:07:28,460 --> 00:07:31,220 like, a better solution than that. And there are a lot of 136 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:33,980 like, mind mapping tools that I really don't like. And the thing 137 00:07:33,980 --> 00:07:39,320 that attracted me to MindMeister a few years ago was that number 138 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,300 one, I could like, kind of set rules, like I could say either 139 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,120 there's like the two sides of the mind map where, if I if I'm 140 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,120 in a mode where I want to just like, spew in any direction I 141 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,640 could, but then if I wanted to have more, like a kind of a 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,400 list, but also kind of a mind map, and I want to just like, 143 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,240 have all the notes forced on one side, I was like, Cool. That's 144 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,500 the feature I was looking for. Plus, what made MindMeister 145 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:04,680 stand out was the like, the collaboration thing. So I could 146 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,740 just kind of in real time, like you said, like I could add some 147 00:08:07,740 --> 00:08:12,360 things, someone else could jump in. And so I, honestly, I don't 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,500 use MindMeister that often or as much as I should, and so I'm 149 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:22,760 aware of the like it can share on Google Drive. So can someone, 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,940 can people collaborate on like MindMeister online directly 151 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:28,580 these days, because all I was aware of was the Google Drive? 152 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Yeah, 153 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,980 Michelle Manus: absolutely. So you can go, if you go to 154 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:35,120 mindmeister.com and sign up, you can start with free maps, and 155 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,180 you can test it out, and then you can actually invite people 156 00:08:38,180 --> 00:08:42,040 to collaborate. So we have unique share links, and you can 157 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,980 invite them to collaborate and join the map with that. So they 158 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:48,580 sign up for MindMeister, and you can, in real time, you can see 159 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:51,280 who's in the map, and you can actually brainstorm and 160 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,280 collaborate together. We also have a chat feature in there, so 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,000 you can, you can be, you know, chatting away on it, as well as 162 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,380 commenting, and you can even vote on ideas. So that's pretty 163 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:04,200 cool when you're, you know, at the sort of, maybe the second 164 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,840 stage, after you've done a brain dump, and you're starting to 165 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,740 organize and categorize ideas, and really, you can get a quick 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,040 feeling of if something's a great idea and people are really 167 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,380 into it, or if it's something that, you know, maybe should go 168 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:20,840 into the, you know, file away for later pile. So it's really 169 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,860 cool that you can actually go in and really collaborate together. 170 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:28,100 And I think that what you mentioned, too, I want to hit on 171 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:31,460 it also is just being able to break things down into their 172 00:09:31,460 --> 00:09:35,360 component parts is, like, so important, especially for these, 173 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,260 you know, massive projects or undertakings. Doing 365 videos 174 00:09:39,260 --> 00:09:43,120 is absolutely insane. And so like trying to figure out how 175 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,540 to, you know, wrap your head around it. And that's what is 176 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:49,600 really cool about mind mapping, because you can just, you 177 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:53,020 basically are able to break it down to the component parts, you 178 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:55,600 know, like they say, like, you can't eating an elephant. You 179 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,540 have to do it a bite at a time. You really have to break it 180 00:09:58,540 --> 00:10:01,980 down. And that's why. I think it's one of the kind of best 181 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:05,880 kept secrets for creativity, because you really, you don't 182 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,640 realize, when you start a creative project, how many 183 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,000 elements actually go into it. And when you're sort of in this 184 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,940 free flowing state, you're able to really write everything down, 185 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,540 and then you don't forget it either. And you can really, you 186 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:20,900 it's really, really dynamic in that respect. 187 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,300 Robert Plank: Well, yeah, and even as you're describing that, 188 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:26,300 you're making me think that, like, sometimes I'm in the mood 189 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:29,240 to just brain dump, and then other times in the mood to I'm 190 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,900 in the mood to, like, organize or delete, and it's like, trying 191 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:36,140 to do all that at once. It does just doesn't work, at least for 192 00:10:36,140 --> 00:10:38,300 me. Like, my brain's like, focused over on this side of the 193 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:40,540 brain and that side of the brain. Sometimes I'm just like, 194 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,200 I just want to spend like, an hour just like, thinking and 195 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,080 like, I kind of like, you know, relaxing, and then list all 196 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,300 these things and have it like, catch fire and be like, in like, 197 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:53,020 the no bad ideas phase, and then, and then clean it up 198 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:56,200 later. And so, so yeah, that's cool that you I didn't know 199 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,560 that, that you could, like, chat and you can vote and kind of 200 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:03,840 like, get be more productive than even you would in person. I 201 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,000 guess that's the whole point, right? Like, when people are 202 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,240 always talking about like, how like video chats been 203 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,720 revolutionized by like the pandemic, or like with the cloud 204 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,180 and apps, you can just click and get a lot of stuff done. It's 205 00:11:15,180 --> 00:11:19,800 like, it saves a lot of the like, the just the fluff and the 206 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,180 everyday minutiae. I mean, that's super cool. Like, make 207 00:11:23,180 --> 00:11:26,180 it, make a node, make an idea, have everyone vote on it, and 208 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:29,660 then that way, like it seems like, like it gets the results 209 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:33,080 that you'd get in the real world, but without all the extra 210 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,280 rigmarole and so with mind maps, like, at one point, my mind was 211 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,660 blowing I found out that, like, you can embed, you know, images 212 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:44,740 and links, and it's not just about like, text. And so is 213 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:49,900 there a feature or, like, a use for MindMeister that we're all 214 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:52,240 missing that's just, like, so cool, but like, not enough 215 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,200 people are using it? 216 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:58,000 Michelle Manus: My gosh, yes. So I have this really interesting 217 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,980 idea when I was thinking about podcasting and content creation, 218 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:05,220 and a way that you can use Mind Meister. So we have what's 219 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:08,340 called the public map universe. And this is a really cool space, 220 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:11,820 so it's at mindmeister.com/public, and 221 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:14,220 these are all these public maps that people have actually 222 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:18,720 created. So they're, you know, anything and everything is on 223 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,740 there. So people make templates. They make Mind Map, examples, 224 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:25,040 book summaries, all of these different things. And what I 225 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,580 think would be really cool as an absolute podcast nerd, podcast 226 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:32,900 fan, is that podcasters could create their show notes. So it 227 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:36,080 would be this really interesting way where you can, you know, put 228 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 the guest, give the bio of the guest, have, have the links and 229 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,940 the relevant information that you discuss, and even do some 230 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:46,960 kind of takeaways from the show. And these are, actually they 231 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,520 rank on Google, which is really cool. So we have a lot of people 232 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,420 that create mind maps that have really interesting niche topics, 233 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:58,600 and actually are, kind of are organically rising to the top on 234 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,700 Google because they're so interesting and so like, they're 235 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,800 keyword heavy, and they're content heavy, and they're 236 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,920 really, really dynamic, and then these are searchable. So people 237 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,620 can actually go in and see what you're doing, see what you're 238 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:13,800 creating. And as you said, you can add links, you can add 239 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,340 images. So you can actually link out to it, to the show, you 240 00:13:17,340 --> 00:13:19,980 know, if you have it on Apple, link out to your review. And I 241 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,940 think that would be such a cool way for people to actually like 242 00:13:23,060 --> 00:13:27,140 in a visual way, interact and share their show notes with with 243 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,180 their viewers, or with their their listeners. 244 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,100 Unknown: That is an idea. 245 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,180 Michelle Manus: I don't know anybody 246 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:35,840 Robert Plank: doing it yet. I mean, I mean, might as well be 247 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,240 the first and see how it pans out. And like I'm looking at 248 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,800 that right now, at the mindmeister.com/public, and 249 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:46,000 like, a lot of what, what I'm seeing, like, it reminds me of, 250 00:13:46,180 --> 00:13:48,820 sort of, like, like, infographics, but, but more 251 00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:51,700 useful because, like, I always, you always see infographics. 252 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:54,340 You're like, you can sometimes tell, like, oh, like, they use 253 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:57,100 the template, and it would be great if they added this or 254 00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:00,040 this, but you can tell they were limited by, like, the layers 255 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,420 they had in there. So, like, this seems like a, like, an easy 256 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:07,980 way to, kind of, like, click around and get that same, like, 257 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:11,280 infographic functionality, only, like, more interactive, because 258 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,660 you can, like, you know, pop nodes open and close and so as 259 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:18,060 far as that idea, they would like the show notes, is there a 260 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:22,520 way to embed a mind map on a web page. Like, is it possible to 261 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,980 publish to this public thing and then, like, stick it on a web 262 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,360 page somehow? Yeah, 263 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,940 Michelle Manus: absolutely. So you can embed the mind maps, and 264 00:14:28,940 --> 00:14:32,180 then they're dynamic. And you can actually, once you have it 265 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:35,540 live so it's publicly viewed, you actually can get an iframe 266 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:39,260 or an embed code right within Mind Meister. You can put it in 267 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:43,000 your mind and your website, and then actually, it can be updated 268 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,720 in real time. So you'd be able to to update, and people could 269 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,900 see those changes. So if you were super clever, maybe you had 270 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:53,380 a live show, a live recording, and you could be in real time 271 00:14:53,380 --> 00:14:57,160 typing, you know, some of the the key takeaways from from a 272 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,600 guest, or, you know, questions that maybe you. Maybe people 273 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 have so it would be kind of a cool idea. I don't know that 274 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 anyone, anyone's doing it yet. If there are people that are 275 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,720 doing it, I'd love to hear about it. But I think it would be a 276 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,720 really fun way, because obviously we're having this 277 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,100 conversation about this very visual media on a podcast. I 278 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:21,080 understand the irony there. So kind of getting into that, level 279 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,800 of actually seeing what you know, what's being discussed, is 280 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,480 kind of a an interesting idea. 281 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,900 Robert Plank: Well, it is. And, I mean, as you know, like 282 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:33,440 podcasting is all about, like, taking one piece of content and 283 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,380 turning it into all these other forms to meet people where 284 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:39,980 they're at, because some people like to watch this on YouTube, 285 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,620 or we might be listening just on, like, podcast audio only, or 286 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:48,520 in little video clips. Or I like to get the show notes made. And 287 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,620 so this is just another way of standing out. And also, like, I 288 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,440 like how you're mentioning here that you get those search engine 289 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,240 benefits, those SEO benefits, because it's text, and that's 290 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,480 what we miss out so many times on, like, the video, if you 291 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,780 don't have captions, or the infographic, if it's just a, you 292 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:10,680 know, a big image. And so, yeah, this is like, I mean, everyone 293 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,100 should at least try this, at least for like, a couple of a 294 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:16,800 couple of like, iterations for what they're working on with 295 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,120 their podcast. And like, I mean, I'll totally take a few of our 296 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,780 podcast, and especially this one, and turn it into mind map 297 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:26,540 form because of, like, if we we did an interview about mind 298 00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:28,760 mapping and didn't have mind map I mean, what the heck are we 299 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,320 doing here? Right? We've 300 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,900 Michelle Manus: missed an opportunity, for sure. Yeah. And 301 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:35,540 you can also then take those video clips too, and you can 302 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:39,560 embed them so, you know, people maybe don't have enough time to 303 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,820 watch the the entire video, or listen to the entire episode, 304 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:45,880 and they can watch those digestible clips. And I think 305 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,460 that, yeah, you get a lot more leverage from your content in 306 00:16:48,460 --> 00:16:51,640 that way. And it's a really, I think it's a beautiful way to 307 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,680 actually see, see what you're working with. So I look forward 308 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,980 to seeing the mind map that you create from this. Yeah, 309 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Robert Plank: see now it has to be good if it's if it needs to 310 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,500 pass Mind Meister, unofficial seal of approval. And it's cool 311 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:09,660 because, I mean, you could have branching off of, like, 312 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,100 sometimes I make like the quote graphics, like your photo, plus 313 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:17,220 something interesting you said. And I mean, you can have that on 314 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:20,060 the mind map. We can have like, the various social links, I 315 00:17:20,060 --> 00:17:23,480 mean, all kinds of of cool possibilities. And so we've been 316 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,760 talking so far about, like, you know, why people need to use 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,560 mind maps and all these crazy and useful and like experiments 318 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,620 we could try and ways to use it, but I'm sure that they're like, 319 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,560 easy ways to get stuck. So Does anything come to mind? As far as 320 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,540 like, ways people like mess up or make mistakes, or kind of, I 321 00:17:40,540 --> 00:17:43,000 don't know, shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to mind 322 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,260 mapping and Mind Meister. 323 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Michelle Manus: You know, I this is totally going to sell, sound 324 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,880 like a sales pitch, but I that's the benefit of Mind Meister is, 325 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,880 I think that they're really, it's a very simple and easy to 326 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,300 use tool. So I think that with a lot of other brainstorming 327 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:01,560 solutions out there, it's super complex, and there's lots of 328 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,020 different features and lots of different things that you can 329 00:18:04,020 --> 00:18:08,460 really get stuck and not really understand the meaning of it, or 330 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,940 it just kind of inhibits your creativity. And I think the 331 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:16,560 thing that maybe one of the difficult things that people 332 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,240 have with mind mapping is that they don't come to the space in 333 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,280 a free and open kind of frame of mind. So I think that, as you 334 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,220 said, you know, you're not necessarily super artistic in 335 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:31,280 terms of being able to draw or being creative in that respect. 336 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,160 And I think people are kind of limited, limiting themselves 337 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,880 when they maybe try to self censor. And I think that that's 338 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,200 kind of the one of the drawbacks coming into kind of a 339 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,900 brainstorming tool, or mind mapping in general, is that they 340 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:46,360 don't necessarily give themselves the freedom to be 341 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:51,040 kind of that yes and person, or really kind of delve deep into 342 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,460 kind of a weird, tangential idea that they have and kind of 343 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:57,400 explore and see where it goes. So I wouldn't say that the 344 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,840 limitation is necessarily in the tool, but more so in the mindset 345 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,680 with how somebody comes to the to kind of the process of of 346 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,520 mind mapping, 347 00:19:06,180 --> 00:19:09,360 Robert Plank: if that makes it doesn't, I've that's been on my 348 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:13,260 mind even even as recently as last night. Like I noticed that 349 00:19:13,260 --> 00:19:17,580 over time, I have an iPad that I don't use for anything but one 350 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:21,740 game. And I was, I was sitting on the couch, and I thought, oh, 351 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:24,860 I want to, like, write down some quick idea. And I had my phone, 352 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:28,400 and I had my iPad, and for some reason I went for my phone, and 353 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,580 I thought, why is that? And I realized that I kind of set 354 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:35,060 those, those limitations, those boundaries, or whatever, and 355 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:38,300 said, like, well, the computer I'm using just for, like, you 356 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:42,160 know, the work the phone I'm using just to like, do for phone 357 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,280 stuff. But then, like, the iPad, I was using, like, just for this 358 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,920 game, and I, like, felt like I didn't want to mix the two, 359 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:50,980 because I didn't want to, like, I don't like mess my brain up, 360 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:54,160 right? And use like the game, the gaming for the work or the 361 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,620 or the work for the gaming. I noticed that sometimes I do 362 00:19:56,620 --> 00:20:00,300 something similar with like, I have like, two monitors. Yes, 363 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:03,360 and I use, like, one monitor for one kind of work, on the other 364 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:06,360 monitor for another kind of work. And just it makes my brain 365 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:11,580 hurt or feel uncomfortable if I, if I use the wrong thing for the 366 00:20:11,580 --> 00:20:14,280 for the wrong tool. And so when you say that about how, like, 367 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,460 just like, you know, there, there are no bad ideas, dump it 368 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:21,740 out. Don't be don't self censor, as you say, I think that's that 369 00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:25,700 that's helpful as far as just like, the right kind of kind of 370 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:30,200 mindset to be, as far as using this tool and so, so, yeah, this 371 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,180 is something that we all need to be using. Podcasters, people who 372 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,620 are, you know, getting like ideas figured out. Authors. Is 373 00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:44,440 there any like type of person that you think should be using 374 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:47,200 mind maps more, and they're not, like, any sort of, like, 375 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,900 profession or type of business or anything like that. 376 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,700 Michelle Manus: Oh, gosh, probably a lot of people. So I 377 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:57,460 think that, and I think one of the cool things about 378 00:20:57,460 --> 00:21:00,300 MindMeister that we use, like, peek behind the curtain of 379 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:04,440 Meister. We use MindMeister, Mind Mapping for pretty much 380 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,140 everything. So not even just brainstorming, but, you know, 381 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:11,340 when we go into a meeting, we do a lot of like meeting you know, 382 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,360 especially, you know, in Corona times and being distributed and 383 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:19,080 everybody working remotely, we actually do collaborative 384 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,520 meeting agendas. So you can set a meeting agenda, and people can 385 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,540 put in the information that they have, you know, from documents 386 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,020 or other inputs. And then when you come to a meeting, it can be 387 00:21:30,020 --> 00:21:32,360 super quick, a super quick alignment, because people have 388 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,880 already kind of laid the groundwork and Done, done the 389 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,080 work before. So you're able to have this visual, living 390 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,280 document that's your meeting agenda, and then you can augment 391 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,880 it as you're actually in the meeting with, you know, data 392 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,140 points or links out to to relevant information. You know, 393 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:54,640 if you're having, you know, a meeting about a weekly stand up, 394 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,340 you can actually link out to the work that you've done before in 395 00:21:57,340 --> 00:22:00,600 the previous week, and then do your action items for the things 396 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,320 that are upcoming. So I actually think that it's less about the 397 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,380 different industries that aren't using mind meter and mind 398 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:10,560 mapping specifically, but kind of breaking out the idea of mind 399 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,280 mapping as just a brainstorming, a creative tool, and actually 400 00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:17,160 putting it into their workflow in a lot of different respects, 401 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,900 because I use it personally for like knowledge management. So if 402 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:24,560 I'm thinking about like quarterly plans, like marketing 403 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,680 campaigns or different ideas that we're coming up with, I 404 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,800 actually start to, I create a template for the different 405 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,380 platforms and the different things that we're actually 406 00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:36,320 working on, and then fill it in every quarter. And then I 407 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,960 actually make, can make a copy, and then that's my archive for 408 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,100 the you know, to as my retrospective, and then the next 409 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:44,860 quarter, I already have my template and set up as I can 410 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:49,840 create a knowledge management map as I go. So I don't know if 411 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,020 I have a specific industry, I would say all industries could 412 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,800 probably benefit from using mind mapping a little bit more, but I 413 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,620 think it's more incorporating it into kind of your daily 414 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:02,640 workflow, because not everybody's a linear thinker, 415 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,360 not everybody, you know, does well with with bulleted lists 416 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,720 and notes and things like that. And so I would say, try and mind 417 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,620 mapping to incorporate that a little bit more. Maybe can help 418 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:15,840 you be more creative and productive, because you're 419 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,960 really not reinventing the wheel every single time you're making 420 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,980 a meeting agenda, or you're, you know, creating a knowledge map 421 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:24,080 for your quarterly goals. 422 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:27,980 Robert Plank: And that's huge, right there, just that idea of 423 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,040 having your template and then and then cloning it for next 424 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,460 time, because, like, it's so, I mean, I guess that's the whole 425 00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:36,980 point of mind mapping, is to just get something other than 426 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,920 the blankness on the page, right? And if you're like, Well, 427 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,940 I gotta figure out another meeting agenda. And, like, how 428 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:45,040 and you feel like you're starting from scratch every 429 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,880 time. And then you kind of flip it on its head. Because when 430 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,940 you're starting with a, like, a templates, kind of by default, 431 00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:54,640 incomplete, and it has some things filled in. And so it's 432 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,060 like, instead of being like, I can't even get started, you're 433 00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:00,900 like, Well, I have this, this half finished thing. I have to 434 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,180 finish it right. It's like, if you have a half finished 435 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,580 sandwich on your plate, you have to, have to have the rest, 436 00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:11,460 right? So you have your template. Yeah, it is a 437 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:14,820 universal law of the universe. You have to finish it if it is 438 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,140 incomplete. And I like your philosophy, there about, like, 439 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:21,980 the meeting thing. And it seems like that kind of, like, removes 440 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:24,920 a lot of the, like, the barriers to entry. Because, like, I don't 441 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 know about you in the, like, the corporate world, but like, I 442 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,420 hated when you had to, like, like, check out a document and 443 00:24:32,420 --> 00:24:37,100 revise it and turn in like, a minor revision of it and get 444 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,660 approval, and all these, all this weird just like, barriers 445 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:44,320 that shouldn't be there, and that's why, you know, like, a 446 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,560 lot of the cloud apps are really helpful, like, you know, Google 447 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,260 Docs and Google Sheets, because it's just, it's so simple, it's 448 00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:53,140 not like the old way of doing things, where there are all 449 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:56,920 these added steps. And so Mind Meister, it seems to me like I 450 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,680 need to be using it more. We all need to and we all need to be 451 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,420 used. It in the these better ways, like the the podcast 452 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:06,240 notes. And something else that comes to mind is, I used to use 453 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,080 it a lot for webinars, when everyone else used PowerPoints, 454 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,080 I would kind of like, you know, zoom in on on a on a part, and 455 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:16,140 have this one section of my map right there on the screen and 456 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,620 and pop open a piece and kind of go over into that space. And it 457 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,880 kind of made things more fun and made the brain kind of work 458 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,360 better. And so as we're wrapping up, winding down, something that 459 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,540 I've noticed as we've been talking is that, so I've heard 460 00:25:29,540 --> 00:25:32,840 of Mind Meister, but then sometimes I've heard it talk, 461 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,680 spoken of it was like Meister. So is there a whole other, like 462 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,440 family, universe, or is is there a bigger world in the terms of 463 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,380 Meister, or is Mind Meister and meister the same thing? 464 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,260 Michelle Manus: That's a super good question. So yes, Meister 465 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:51,760 is kind of is our company and MindMeister is our flagship 466 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,300 tool. So we also have Meister task, which is our task 467 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:59,200 management solution. So MindMeister, as we like to think 468 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,760 of it, we create these beautiful collaborative tools to get 469 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,180 projects done. So we have Mind Meister, which is kind of the 470 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,420 starting phase, the brainstorming, the ideation, the 471 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:13,800 planning, and then my Meister task is the execution. So you 472 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,660 can actually take your Mind Map and turn it into tasks into a 473 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:22,880 project board. So it's a, it's a kanban style project management 474 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,480 tool, task management tool that actually allows you to then move 475 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,580 your plan and your ideas into an actual tangible, actionable 476 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:36,200 project board that you can then, you know, tick off to done. So 477 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,780 Meister is really devoted to creating beautiful, easy to use, 478 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:44,740 collaborative tools, and we're actually working on another tool 479 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:47,560 right now. It's a little bit top secret, so I can't say too too 480 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,240 much, but essentially, we're developing a fleet of really 481 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,280 wonderful online, cloud based tools that help you get your 482 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,320 work done in a creative and visual way. 483 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,420 Robert Plank: Fantastic. Well, that is good to know that there 484 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:06,360 are top secret things moving forward, but even as far as what 485 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,140 we can do now, so you can take that, that mind map, and turn it 486 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:14,340 into tasks. And man, you guys out there and Mind Meister are 487 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:17,220 like reimagining and changing everything that that's 488 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:19,740 happening, and it's super impressive. And so what's the 489 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:22,340 next step here? Like, where should people go? How do they 490 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:24,920 get an account? How do they start using this amazing tool? 491 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,360 Yep, so it's super 492 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,020 Michelle Manus: easy. If you go to mindmeister.com you can go 493 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:33,860 ahead and sign up for a free license, and that gets you 494 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:38,180 access to really jumping in and trying out MindMeister. You're 495 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,960 able to make and create wonderful, beautiful mind maps 496 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960 there. And then we also have lots of resources and tools on 497 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,160 our blog at mindmeister.com/blog where you can actually find lots 498 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,340 of templates and use cases for all of the different ways that 499 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:53,980 you can actually use MindMeister to be more creative and more 500 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:54,640 productive. 501 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,640 Robert Plank: And I always forget that that's a thing that 502 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,260 can be done, like if there's if there's a tool of any kind, and 503 00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:04,500 I know that I should be using it more. I'm not using it enough. 504 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,740 Like not not just MindMeister, but like any kind of like 505 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:10,320 platform or tool, there's usually some sort of a blog 506 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,560 section where you're talking about the latest and greatest 507 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,040 features, or here's some new, unique way of using it. And I 508 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560 always forget that that's a thing, because sometimes, when 509 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,800 there's a tool I'm not using enough, I go and check the blog, 510 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,620 and it gets so excited I end up using the tool anyway. So that's 511 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,320 maybe, like a little bit of a life hack, right? If you're not 512 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,800 using the tool, want to get excited to find the blog for 513 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,100 sure? 514 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,080 Michelle Manus: Yeah, we have, I mean, we have a fantastic 515 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,340 content team that MindMeister is made and for mind mappers and 516 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,680 people that are super obsessed with creativity and 517 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,780 productivity, and so our blog is filled with like tips, tricks 518 00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:47,560 and unique insights into how you can actually incorporate these 519 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,860 awesome, beautiful tools into your workflow. So yeah, I think 520 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:53,320 it's a good life hack, too. Fantastic. 521 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,020 Robert Plank: Well, we will see everyone on that website, 522 00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:59,380 mindmeister.com, check out the blog, see what you can do. 523 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,400 Register, get an account and start using it, playing with it, 524 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,360 have fun with it, see where it goes. And this can be a way to 525 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,200 unlock those ideas and work with others and get your business to 526 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,980 where it should be going. Whether you're a podcaster, any 527 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:18,120 industry, any size, you might use MindMeister, you will love 528 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,220 it. Mindmeister.com and thanks Michelle for stopping by Hey. 529 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:22,520 Thanks 530 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,660 Michelle Manus: so much. I appreciate it. You.