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Robert Plank: marketer of the
Day episode 806 Grow Your e

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commerce brand beyond $20,000 ad
spend with Tim keen. Hey, and

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welcome back to the marketer of
the day podcast. Are you an E

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commerce brand? Who is spending
at least $20,000 per month on

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paid media? Are you looking to
grow rapidly? Well, then you are

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in exactly the right place that
you want to be. We are here

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chatting with Tim Kean from loop
club that is at loop dot club.

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They work exclusively with
Shopify Ecommerce brands with

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aggressive growth or aggressive
growth goals. They have spent

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over $100 million on paid media,
they have expertise for driving

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growth of businesses of all
shapes and sizes. So glad to be

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talking to you. Yeah, pleasure
to be here. And it's a pleasure

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to have you. So with all the
craziness, the all the fast

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moving things happening with E
commerce and Shopify and

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everything that goes along with
that. I mean, tell me what we

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need to know, what is your focus
been lately as far as what these

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brands you've been working with
growing them? Like kind of

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what's on your mind these days?

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Unknown: Yeah, I mean, this has
been a really, really crazy time

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in the industry, as I'm sure
that everyone knows. So

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obviously, last December last
year was COVID. So all of these

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ecommerce brands, all of a
sudden spikes, we're able to

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acquire a ton of new customers
very cost effectively. But

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things are changing in that
ecosystem really quickly. Apple

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is clamping down on privacy
restrictions, which is changing

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the ways that we can market on
Facebook, it's making it more

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difficult for brands without the
huge amount of expertise. So to

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advertise profitably on
Facebook, it's making reporting

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more difficult. So it's more
difficult to see exactly what's

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working. And then there's also
been new changes in the answers

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for email with iOS 15. Just
coming out later in the year, we

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kind of weathering the storm
here and was seemed like a real

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straight got real change in the
industry. But the lucky thing,

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least while we keep telling
everyone, which is true, which

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is that the fundamentals of
marketing have never been more

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important. Like having a clear
value proposition, having

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compelling creative, having a
real reason for customers to buy

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and a strong value proposition
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there is plenty of opportunity
on these platforms. But it's an

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interesting time in the space.

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Robert Plank: It seems like it's
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whenever you think about
whenever, you know, Apple comes

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out with with this new, this
new, you know, rule or Facebook

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restricts this, it seems like
it's easy to to panic and give

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up. But I think the way that the
way that I think I see and I

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think the way you see is that it
kind of weeds out the

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competition, the people that
can't adapt. And I mean, who

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wants to be in an industry
anyway, that that just like stay

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stagnant? I mean, you think
about how long did it take taxis

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to finally become obsolete?
Like, it's really like it took

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way too long for that to happen.
And it seems like I mean, it can

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be frustrating, though, right to
see like, Oh, now my email

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deliverability is kind of messed
up by the new iOS or Well, now I

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have this app and I can't get
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And so So yeah, it's it seems
like this disruption, it seems

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like it's a good thing. But also
like, it seems like every week,

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there's some new wrench thrown
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And so I mean, how do you how do
you even stay on top of that?

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Because I mean, sure, you could
say like, well, I read the news

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every day and a fall this and I
attend conferences, but doesn't

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they get to the point where
like, your brain is just

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completely just filled up and
overloaded with all the things

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you have to keep track of.

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Unknown: Yeah, I mean,
definitely, definitely. But

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that's the job. That's the job.
Like, if you're in this

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industry, in your field, trying
to find new customers, you have

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to the number one thing that we
screenful And we hire people is

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the ability to learn. That's
like the biggest determinant of

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success. The only thing that
matters too much raw, the

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highest number off the
knowledge, who loves twice as

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fast than someone with a ton of
knowledge, who is a slow

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learner, because that is the
thing. If you like clicking

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around the internet and learning
new things, and discovering,

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like different ways of working,
this is a good job. Because the

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pace of change is increasing.
Yes. But it has always been

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really fast. It's always been
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suddenly existed really, for 10
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is 10 years now? Like even in
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massive change in the industry.
But it still is that like

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marketing still the same. Like
if you read these classic

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marketing textbooks, if you read
like David Ogilvy or anything

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like that, like that, like what
they were doing was they would

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go to newspapers, and they would
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And they put them into different
newspapers and they would use

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the coupon codes to track like,
which what was the conversion

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rate of this ad of newspaper
what was which, which copy

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performed better than the other
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fundamentally the same principle
We're just doing it at a

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different scale and with more
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really what you're doing at your
core is going to get a message

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in front of someone for an
affordable price for price to

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pay, and then to have the
resulting revenue from that

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communication being more than
spent on communicating. That's

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the whole. And like that is, it
doesn't matter whether that's

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Facebook ads, or Google ads or
email skywriting, or pigeon

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message name, like it's the same
fundamental skill and the

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channel. Like if you get too
addicted to the channel too

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addicted to one way of looking
like you're setting yourself up.

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Robert Plank: Yeah, I agree
completely that the it's the

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it's the vehicle to get you
there. And I'm right there along

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with you. Like I love diving
into the old copywriting books

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like like Eugene Schwartz, or
something like that, or like a

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Robert Collier letter book or
things like that. And it's, I

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almost feel like I'm sometimes
like rediscovering old things

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that people forgot if there's
like some old timey like

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headline or a way they did the
offer, I'm like, Man, that that

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hasn't been done in a while. And
then maybe we can like breathe

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new life to that in some kind of
like a landing page or a

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Facebook ad. And so I've kind of
seen what you've seen where I've

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known people that get so stuck
in like Facebook ads, and they

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think that they're just a
Facebook ad person, they only

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think that Facebook ads, and
then what at least I see

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happening is they get stuck in
like the Facebook ads mindset

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from five years ago. And they're
like, they're like resistant to

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to adapt and change into
whatever new things that that

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get brought in there. And so
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think that's a healthy way of
looking at it, there's like,

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there's the marketing
fundamentals. And to kind of

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kind of have the both sides of
the coin of being curious and

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knowing what the latest trends
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that it's still just these old
ideas expressed in a new way.

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And something that you touched
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interesting about how, like,
we're overwhelmed with all this

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information. And it's important
to be a fast learner. And it's

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better to learn fast, and to
have a whole wealth of

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knowledge. And I mean, I just
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about someone where they were
talking, we're talking about how

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like, no one clicks to page two
on Google. And I'm like, I was

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saying, like, when I searched
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page four of Google just really
quick to see what the lay of the

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land is. And then I go back, and
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YouTube hole or a rabbit hole
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not a lot of people kind of have
that sort of that just like the

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drive for knowledge, but also
being able to sift through the

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the bad from from the good. And
so, okay, so. So what, what is a

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good starting point, having said
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things to learn and not to
learn, and you said that having

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these marketing fundamentals is
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marketing fundamental that we're
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like a really common thing that
if we just looked at it this

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way, a lot of us could fix up a
lot of what we're doing wrong,

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anything come to mind there?

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Unknown: Yeah, definitely,
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Creative is the biggest piece
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sleeping on. Like it's changing
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buyers and media platforms and
stuff be like, the creative is

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the thing that I remember, when
I started running media, I would

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go on forums, and I was like,
learn all these different

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techniques. And they're all
about exactly like you said,

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like traditional Facebook ad,
things like put your ads, the

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way to structure your ad
account. And the way to analyze

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the data and the way to look at
the kind of back end technical

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aspects of the performance. But
there's nothing on like what a

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good performing ad actually is.
And I didn't invest any time or

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energy really making high
quality ads. When I say high

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quality, I don't mean expensive
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make an ad has almost nothing to
do with how well it performs.

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What I what I mean, is the
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persuasive. So does it think
about people are scrolling on

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their phones, when they're on
Facebook, like the mode of

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consumption is like, it's like
being at a casino like You're

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like looking at your phone just
swiping up and you're waiting

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for something stimulating pop
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get someone's attention is first
like, attracts their attention

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in the first three seconds like
something jarring or special or

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move something with movement has
to happen. Otherwise, people are

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just gonna keep scrolling. And
then what people don't do is

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leverage user generated content,
but then also just close ups on

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the product to make it really
compelling. You want to use that

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time that you have people's
attention to make it very clear

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to them why they should purchase
so it might be text on screen

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that points out the main
features of the product or it

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might be a glowing testimonial
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camera and saying like what it
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so so so many ads that are under
optimized or just a product

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image that someone's going to
throw it on screen or like you

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can't see the product clearly or
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80% 80 to 90% of impressions on
Facebook with the sound off. But

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a lot of the time people want
protect some ads, that stuff

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makes a massive, massive,
massive difference to your

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performance. One more is the
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people post ads on Facebook that
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widescreen ads, but think about
the media, like you're on your

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phone, like just scrolling
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one by one image, or a four by
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proportionally like twice or
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that user screen, you have their
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time, like you think about how
much impact that makes over

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100,000 impressions. It's
massive. It's really, really

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significant. I see it all the
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Robert Plank: And like those
little things like that, that

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you mentioned, I mean, I can
maybe subconsciously or notice

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them for a second all the time.
Like I'm scrolling through

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Facebook, and I'm like, Well,
this is sort of interesting, but

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it there's no captions on it. So
I'll just keep scrolling, going

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past and like I'm sure it's
interesting, but doesn't quite

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grab me. And it's like one of
those things where it's if

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you're so close to it, if you're
if you're making the ad, if it's

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your offer, it's hard to see
just how a complete absolute

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newbie with no exposure to your
brand sees sees these ads for

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the very first time. So I mean,
yeah, that's huge. And even,

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you're kind of mentioned there
like a little bit of like a like

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a AIBA. Right, like attention,
interest, desire, action, and

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like, and like getting that
initial hook and at least

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getting them excited with
something that that wakes them

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up and gives them a reason just
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few seconds. I mean, classic
marketing, but it's so simple.

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It's so basic. So many people
just want to skip over that and

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just jump to like, Oh, what are
the mechanics of my Facebook ad?

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Yeah, but you can do the
mechanics all day long if you

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don't even know. But if you
don't know what, what the base

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is, then what are you even
leading towards? So we've been

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talking a little bit so far
about like some of this like,

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like marketing theory, or these
ideas and kind of concept form.

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But what's really exciting is to
hear about the case studies,

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right? The success story. So
there's any fun, interesting

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story come to mind. As far as a
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Unknown: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So the the best example example

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that we use all the time is this
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client. I think like, in the
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medium businesses are in where
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really beautiful maps, like kind
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them on the walls of REI, like
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outdoors or like has a
fascination with the outdoor

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environment like would love one
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came to us systems like 30 to
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that point. But was was kind of
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having trouble scaling past
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were able to get we festival. We
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dollar q4, which was huge. And
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time I looked, it was like 600%
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insane, really, really
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wasn't none of its rocket
science, like you said like, it

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shouldn't be complicated if
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tell you this like insanely
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like the poorly overthinking
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holding them back from scaling
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something or they are, then
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product. And that's why agencies
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because we've seen enough
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pattern match and be like, Yeah,
we know that this works. This is

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the reason why we know this
works does work and 100 other

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brands. So it's not even rocket
science. It's just restructuring

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the ad account, getting star
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Shopping, this is a huge thing
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who come to us have not done,
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customer reviews on your
website. And you should be

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passing those to Google. And
they should be displayed on a

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Google shopping feed. So when
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see your products lined up with
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rating reviews that cause 100%
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overnight, one tiny little
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number of other examples of
things that were able to

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optimize that did that amount
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in the business like improving
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remarketing lists and what it
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you're kind of doing it
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like one big revelation that
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completely new thing. It should
look like a ton of little

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optimizations. Common Sense
optimizations you just probably

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don't know about having thought
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create an exponential impact
when they're multiplied

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together. You increase
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increase the quality of traffic
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by 20%, you increase reorder
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multiplied by each other and
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Robert Plank: And you know what,
when you're explaining all that,

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what that the analogy that comes
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you're, you're living a terrible
lifestyle, and you want to get

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healthy. And if you just fix one
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make up for the others. And you
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But if you say, well, I'll drink
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time per week, like like you're
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have the the compounding effect.
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common sense things that we all
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and kind of see what works. And
I mean, it, it makes it very

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reassuring, especially like
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not have to be complicated. And
same thing, if you say, I've got

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this incredible idea for losing
weight and getting healthy, I'm

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going to do these five things
that sets up these other five

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things. Like it's just it's such
a complicated spider web versus

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Well, what are the basics? What
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what's working, what am I
missing? And then maybe go back

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and do it from scratch? And so
you said that in this case, you

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said, well, we'll take over the
email, and we'll take over like

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the Facebook ads, things like
that, is that normally the case

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is that normally you say like,
here's these these sections? And

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we'll like take over this piece
or that piece? Or like, what's

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the what's the approach for you
and your team jumping in and

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differently for other agencies.
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do with a client is a real 360
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the accounts, the paid audit, we
jump in the accounts, and we

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look at everything, we built a
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roadmap, okay, here's what we
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60 days, 90 days, here's the
kinds of results you should be

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able to expect over the first
year. And then here are the

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action items that we would knock
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account. And like, like we've
been talking about, like, none

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of this is rocket science. It's
just like stuff you haven't

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thought of either stuff you
brought up was stuff you've

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tried to execute and failed to
execute, or stuff that is just

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kind of out of left field that's
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difference. So we build that
list of things across all the

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different domains that we work
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ads, email, website, stuff,
fractional, what we call

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fractional CMO, which is really
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stack the data layer, how's
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other, then also the creative.
So we dig really deep into that

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we deliver our clients like,
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you should do. And then they
take it or leave it, either we

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execute that exact list of
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and make it rather work with it.
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looking into the business and
getting a sense of where is the

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opportunity here and then
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roadmap in order to get those
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Robert Plank: That seems very
logical, just like here's,

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here's the channels, and here's
the timeline. And here's the,

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like 30 days and 60 days and 90
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audit, I mean, that seems like a
logical way to to to hack away

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at this at this big elephant
this big problem just like an

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attack it kind of one one piece
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we've said that the thing that a
lot of people are missing out on

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is lack of marketing
fundamentals. And an easy win

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for a lot of people is to focus
on on things like Google

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Shopping, or getting like things
like reviews in there. And so as

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far as where things are headed,
as far as the future as far as

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like E commerce and maybe even
your agency, like what's on the

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horizon here, what's what's
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Unknown: collecting more
customer data. That's the

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biggest piece that we're gonna
save, see, whether that's

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quizzes, surveys, pop ups, there
will be a movement towards lead

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generation, at an earliest stage
for any companies. Because of

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the challenges we're going to
see around data collection and

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data privacy. What companies
that are going to succeed are

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going to build customer
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value at every single stage that
involves gathering more data

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earlier in the process. So for
skincare skincare brands have

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been playing this game ages. The
first touch point with skincare

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brands is often a quiz. A lot of
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brands website like takeout
quiz, love exactly what products

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work for us, for you. So there's
a value exchange there, which is

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that the customer gets really
specific products recommended to

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them that exactly match their
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gets information that they can
use to remarket to their

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customer. They have the email
address, probably they have a

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list of the specific skin
concerns they have, what they're

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looking for, and that that value
change is you're gonna see more

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and more and more of that much
more interactive. Free on

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websites free purchase. And it's
just going to be like that.

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Because the way that marketing
works, marketing is becomes

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cheaper when you have the data
to leverage. And we're going to

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get less and less data out of
the email platforms, but email

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platforms and Facebook and
Google, because they're becoming

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more walled gardens. So it's
incumbent on brands to start

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building their own repository of
customer data. But then using

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that, for good and like for
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like not just to kind of
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but like to make sure that they
are answering the needs the

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meeting the needs of their
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solutions to the problems that
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they have. It's that simple.

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Robert Plank: And yeah, and you
make it simple. And and it could

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be complicated, but why not just
put it in simple terms. And like

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you're kind of articulating
something that I think we've all

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been seeing where they're, I
mean, you always hear about how

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crowded things are. And you
always hear about how expensive

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ads are. But like you're seeing
if you can get that super long

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tail to figure it out, if you're
selling window blinds, but

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you're selling window blinds for
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high ceilings, and if someone is
searching for that exact thing,

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and you can provide that exact
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funnel, I mean, you'll you'll
win were others lose. And you

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always hear about how you know,
face, the front page of Facebook

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for me is drastically different
for you. And in a lot of ways

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like Amazon, and it would be
amazing. At some point if your

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typical Shopify store was just
like completely different from

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me as what's for you, right? If
I if I took the quiz, or if I if

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there was like something where I
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that way. I mean, that's some
amazing mind blowing stuff. And

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also something that that keeps
coming to mind as far as like

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some of your answers here is
that there's there's things like

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there's like trends or
innovations that maybe get used

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a lot in one industry that kind
of take a while to find their

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way and other and other markets,
other industries. And so someone

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like you and your agents use
kind of seeing everything and

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seeing what everyone's doing. I
imagine that you can sometimes

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try something new up and coming
that's been done over in this

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space and try it over and
someone else space where no one

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else is doing it when none of
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of this.

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Unknown: Yeah, exactly. And
what's what is Yes, exactly,

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that's exactly it. And really
what is happening is, ecommerce

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is going to start taking a
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So SAS is a very developed lead
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personalized shopping and a very
developed lead gen model. If I

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go to HubSpot, I always use
HubSpot as an example there's a

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reason they want to hubspot.com
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on hubspot.com They know who I
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that data out, enriching it,
figuring out my IP figuring out

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who I work for. And then they'll
send me an email whether or not

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I give them my email or not.
Secondly, like they're trying to

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get me on the phone right away.
They're trying to gather

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customer data, get me on the
phone, deliver a personalized

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experience that is relevant to
me and provide content that

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helps me along my customer, my
journey of solving the problem

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that I have served. Ecommerce
companies are always a little

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bit behind SAS, but just because
it's like, not as the rewards

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and not, you're not going to
make billions of dollars run any

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commerce company, right. So it's
like less, there's just less

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forward momentum in the
industry. But those techniques

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are working. And they're
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we will see more of that more
personalization, more lead gen

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more kind of that style stuff
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Robert Plank: Fantastic. Well,
if people watching listening are

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are excited and intrigued and
curious about these trends that

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are up and coming and all the
things to pay attention to how

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can they take the next step
here? I mean, tell us about

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about loop Club, which is that
loop dot club, tell us why we

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should go there and what to do
there and why we should do it

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now instead of waiting.

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Unknown: Yeah, so visit us on
loop dot club, and we can help

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you with your Shopify Ecommerce
brand, we almost certainly have

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some information that can help
you just from the amount of

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experience so we have a space.
So we'll be visit that website

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and book a call with me and my
team and we can walk you through

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where we see the opportunity and
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Robert Plank: Oh, fantastic. So
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if you are a ecommerce brand
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month on paid media, then
contact him and his team they

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can do 360 on it. They can do
all kinds of things to get your

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branding your company to
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the same actions getting the
same results. Why not try

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something new? And why not have
this team of professionals who

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they eat and breathe and sleep
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ecommerce brand what it can and
when it shouldn't be and get the

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word out the place to go is l o
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dot club and we'll see you there
and anything to say just to wrap

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up our conversation here Tim any
final like parting words of

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advice or anything you think we
left out here?

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Unknown: I think this is really
great I think the next six

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months is gonna be a lot of
changes and ecosystems so just

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like don't panic and we're gonna
get through it and keep like if

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you're in the E commerce space
here we're seeing growth in the

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industry right so you will be
okay and just think macro

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instead of micro and we'll get
we'll make it through together.

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