1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:03,300 Robert Plank: marketer of the Day episode eight free seven, 2 00:00:03,570 --> 00:00:07,290 remote work from home master plan, implement the entrepreneur 3 00:00:07,290 --> 00:00:09,060 lifestyle with Mike Arnold. 4 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:17,220 Welcome back to the marketer of the day podcast. We're here with 5 00:00:17,220 --> 00:00:21,330 the man the myth, the legend himself, Mr. Mike Arnold. Mike 6 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:24,810 is a work at home entrepreneur. He has skills that range from 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,260 business management, to business development, time management, 8 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:31,980 strategy, efficiency, coaching, and much more. Mike, glad to be 9 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:32,640 talking to you. 10 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:35,670 Unknown: Yeah, good to be here. Robert. Thank you very 11 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:37,980 Robert Plank: welcome. Just before this call, I went and 12 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:40,410 looked you up real quick, I saw you have like a book called 13 00:00:40,410 --> 00:00:43,650 slacking off. But can you tell us what you're all about and 14 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:45,240 what your focus is these days? 15 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:49,530 Unknown: Well, you know, I'm a work from home entrepreneur, I, 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,060 I work right now in the medical field, medical technology, I 17 00:00:54,660 --> 00:00:58,230 basically, I'm all about being efficient, while as efficient as 18 00:00:58,230 --> 00:01:02,130 you can be working from home and helping others balance their 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,050 work life situations, and, obviously want to talk about the 20 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:10,650 book that I wrote to help people just be happier working from 21 00:01:10,650 --> 00:01:14,310 home and be more efficient and being more present. And, and 22 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:14,790 there 23 00:01:15,479 --> 00:01:17,039 Robert Plank: were lots of things to talk about there. 24 00:01:17,039 --> 00:01:20,429 Because, you know, guys like you and me doing the work at home 25 00:01:20,429 --> 00:01:23,519 thing. We were kind of weird for a bunch of years, right? Where 26 00:01:23,549 --> 00:01:26,219 everyone else was like the nine to five was the norm. And then 27 00:01:26,339 --> 00:01:29,189 all this crazy stuff happened in the world. And it flipped on us 28 00:01:29,249 --> 00:01:32,369 a little bit. And I don't know about you, Mike. But it was such 29 00:01:32,369 --> 00:01:35,579 a first of all, it was such a trade off. I felt like a lot of 30 00:01:35,579 --> 00:01:40,349 the time that I got from not commuting and not having to do 31 00:01:40,349 --> 00:01:44,939 all all the office stuff. It I got this extra time. But then I 32 00:01:45,029 --> 00:01:48,269 know I didn't use it right. And I had to come up with some new 33 00:01:48,269 --> 00:01:52,499 strategies, like get myself motivated, and things like that. 34 00:01:52,619 --> 00:01:56,579 And so what have you noticed? Like, what is kind of your What 35 00:01:56,579 --> 00:01:59,849 have been your difficulties? And what have you had to kind of do 36 00:01:59,999 --> 00:02:02,849 that maybe took a little bit of work in order to make the most 37 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:04,469 out of this work from home time? 38 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:09,060 Unknown: Where are you? Are you speaking? Post COVID? Are you 39 00:02:09,060 --> 00:02:12,000 speaking just in general working from home? Because obviously 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,730 there's there's different scenarios that have taken place 41 00:02:14,730 --> 00:02:15,630 more recently? 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,730 Robert Plank: Well, there's different scenarios, but I just 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,520 I mean, like, as far as like you, you personally, Mr. Mike 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,180 Arnold, what have you struggled with as far as this whole time 45 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:25,290 management for homeschooling? 46 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:28,650 Unknown: I mean, you know, I've been working from home for 15 47 00:02:28,650 --> 00:02:31,530 years, right? So today, what what I struggle with is totally 48 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:33,780 different than what I struggled with in the beginning. But 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,370 ultimately, I think every person working from home, or actually, 50 00:02:38,370 --> 00:02:43,050 I won't say I think I know, runs into situations that they could 51 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:47,910 have handled better. So for me, I think it would just really go 52 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:54,990 into it, all the things that pull your attention in one 53 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:59,100 direction or another. And making a decision on whether or not you 54 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,920 should have spent time taking that phone call or reading that 55 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:05,190 email or doing that one thing, when you could have been more 56 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:06,990 efficient. I think a lot of people just kind of go 57 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:09,090 throughout their day just trying to be the best they can be in 58 00:03:09,090 --> 00:03:12,900 handling everything that they have coming at them. And I think 59 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:17,130 for me, you know, it's a constant, is this the most 60 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:20,610 efficient thing I can be doing in this moment? And when you 61 00:03:20,610 --> 00:03:23,880 know, I work for a corporation, it was is this the most 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,700 appropriate meeting for me to be having right at this moment? Is 63 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:30,900 this the most efficient, whether it's monetarily or it's, it's 64 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:36,060 can this go the distance? Is this really the best thing for 65 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:40,470 my time. And that's something I still run into today. You know, 66 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:44,760 I'm sitting still, I'm reading something, I'm taking a course 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,790 I'm teaching somebody something, I'm presenting something. And I 68 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:51,420 definitely want to make sure that at one I'm present and two, 69 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:55,620 that you know what I'm doing is efficient and worth it right 70 00:03:55,620 --> 00:03:59,010 worth it to me worth it to whoever's on the other end and, 71 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:03,000 and worth it to my future. So I think I would just say the 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,540 things that really randomly take place in the middle of what 73 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:10,110 you're trying to focus on. And, you know, making the right 74 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:12,810 decision to either take it or not take it right. I mean, 75 00:04:12,810 --> 00:04:14,910 there's there's a lot of philosophies out there, like 76 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:16,740 just handle everything that comes your way, which I believe 77 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:20,250 in to a degree, but then you know, you get a phone call from 78 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:22,710 a co worker or a friend that wants to talk about something, 79 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:25,410 it really doesn't matter. You don't want to be rude to them. 80 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:28,680 Right? You definitely don't want to be a bad friend or coworker. 81 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:32,070 But the truth of the matter is, is that's not as important as 82 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:35,580 what you may have to do right at that very moment. So making the 83 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:39,480 right decision for yourself and your future on a daily basis and 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,290 an hourly basis on a on a minute basis is necessary in order to 85 00:04:43,290 --> 00:04:46,740 function and be successful in my opinion. And so that's that's 86 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:49,350 really, you know, a lot of this is built on that it's built on 87 00:04:49,350 --> 00:04:53,520 me looking back and saying, Man, I dug myself in a huge hole 88 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,580 because I kept answering the phone. I kept taking that 89 00:04:56,580 --> 00:05:01,410 meeting whether it was a boss or a friend or client And when it 90 00:05:01,410 --> 00:05:05,130 wasn't appropriate, and, you know, maybe it was once, maybe 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,220 twice, and then digging into the things that take your time away, 92 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:12,030 like being on social media, or just being idle too much, right? 93 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:14,310 Because you, you didn't get that idle time that you were looking 94 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:17,130 for in the beginning of the day. So now you're doing it 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,380 throughout your day, and you're taking away from all the things 96 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:21,870 you're doing. Right, that happens to all of us, I'm sure. 97 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:25,920 Right, in some degree or another. And so I think it's 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,210 just really more. You know, like I said, things that take your 99 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:33,690 attention away, where you don't even notice. And I'd say that's 100 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:36,900 probably the biggest culprit of inefficiency is not paying 101 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:39,300 attention to what you're doing. 102 00:05:39,659 --> 00:05:41,939 Robert Plank: Yeah. And there's, there's so much to think about. 103 00:05:41,939 --> 00:05:44,519 And as you're kind of describing, you know, do I do I 104 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,699 do this? Or do I do that, it almost feels like you can't win, 105 00:05:47,729 --> 00:05:50,819 right? It's like you have like, there's probably like maybe five 106 00:05:50,819 --> 00:05:53,789 or six possible templates for the way that your day could go. 107 00:05:53,789 --> 00:05:56,429 And there's like maybe the worst possible scenario, which has 108 00:05:56,489 --> 00:05:59,669 nothing done total waste of time. And there's maybe like, 109 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:02,699 Well do all these things in parallel or get to these 110 00:06:02,699 --> 00:06:05,369 different appointments. But there's space in between? And it 111 00:06:05,369 --> 00:06:08,999 seems like there's like the the least worst option, right? And 112 00:06:09,299 --> 00:06:12,539 it seems like there's never a perfect day. And there's always 113 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:15,449 like a million things going on. And so you know, you and I are 114 00:06:15,449 --> 00:06:18,809 kind of similar here, Mike, in that you we've been that this 115 00:06:18,809 --> 00:06:22,889 for a decade plus, right. We both been working from home for 116 00:06:22,949 --> 00:06:26,009 over 10 years. And you know, 10 years ago, there was like 117 00:06:26,009 --> 00:06:29,519 different I think that the distractions were not as 118 00:06:29,609 --> 00:06:33,029 aggressive as they are now with the social media, but also 119 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:36,689 hesitantly while to figure out simple things like, you know, 120 00:06:36,689 --> 00:06:40,499 close my office door, which is still kind of relevant today, or 121 00:06:40,499 --> 00:06:44,249 things like have a Google Calendar, or have appointments 122 00:06:44,249 --> 00:06:46,979 on the calendar, which are all things that was like, were 123 00:06:46,979 --> 00:06:50,069 things that I had to figure out slowly over time. And then 124 00:06:50,369 --> 00:06:53,969 what's what's cool now, as you and I know, is that these last 125 00:06:53,969 --> 00:06:57,839 couple of years, video chat has become way better way more 126 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,959 reliable, way easier, way faster, you click a button, and 127 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:04,859 you do it. But I sometimes think that if I was in, if I was 128 00:07:04,859 --> 00:07:07,799 younger, if I was in school, nowadays, with Facebook and 129 00:07:07,799 --> 00:07:10,649 texting and all the distractions, I probably be an F 130 00:07:10,649 --> 00:07:13,709 student. And I have to really put forward like the the 131 00:07:13,709 --> 00:07:17,459 willpower in order to resist the new temptation. So it kind of 132 00:07:17,459 --> 00:07:19,919 feels like a trade off to me, like we get all these new 133 00:07:19,949 --> 00:07:23,159 productivity tools. And a lot of things are easier. You don't 134 00:07:23,159 --> 00:07:26,429 have to spend a week formatting and setting up your computer, 135 00:07:26,429 --> 00:07:29,309 you just like use an app, or you use stuff in the cloud. But then 136 00:07:29,309 --> 00:07:32,549 the result that comes with this price of all these other things 137 00:07:32,549 --> 00:07:35,579 popping up. And you know, you mentioned a few minutes ago here 138 00:07:35,579 --> 00:07:39,569 that I know there's a difference between the way it's always been 139 00:07:39,599 --> 00:07:42,929 and then kind of the the COVID challenges and the post COVID 140 00:07:42,929 --> 00:07:45,599 challenges. So can you tell me what you've been seeing as far 141 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:48,239 as like the maybe the last couple of years or a couple of 142 00:07:48,239 --> 00:07:52,019 months? Like what are the recent new problems that people are 143 00:07:52,019 --> 00:07:55,199 having versus the problems that have already existed as far as 144 00:07:55,259 --> 00:07:56,309 working from home? 145 00:07:57,030 --> 00:07:59,130 Unknown: Um, you know, I don't I don't know if they're 146 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:05,070 necessarily that I'm seeing different problems other than 147 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:11,190 more higher volume of those problems, the problems are the 148 00:08:11,190 --> 00:08:14,580 same. It's really just the volume. But first, I want to 149 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:16,950 say, you know, you hit the nail on the head about feeling like 150 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:20,310 you can't win. That's actually the whole reason I wrote this 151 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:22,860 book, right is for the person who feels like they can't win, 152 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:26,880 and that no matter what somebody is going to suffer. Because 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,570 that's not true. It's true if you make it true, but it's 154 00:08:30,570 --> 00:08:36,060 definitely not true. If you if you handle things properly, and 155 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:40,320 have a plan for yourself that you created. But I would say to 156 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:46,440 answer your question. It's really, you know, the typical 157 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,580 things, you know, doing something too long, right? Like, 158 00:08:50,610 --> 00:08:55,050 that's not work related, working too much. Because you're working 159 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:59,940 from home on your own. And therefore if the truth is, is 160 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,910 averaged across all people, we're our own worst critic. 161 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:05,460 we're our own worst boss, or own or slave driver, we're 162 00:09:05,460 --> 00:09:09,240 everything. And we're probably, you know, we'll either make 163 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,570 ourselves have a lot of lazy time, or we'll work really hard. 164 00:09:12,570 --> 00:09:16,200 There's really not a very good in between for most people. Some 165 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,320 people may be but but generally people that work from home for a 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,580 long period of time, and you can attest to this work longer and 167 00:09:23,580 --> 00:09:27,840 more than they did when they worked in an office. And I know 168 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,320 that's true for me, because, like, I think, just from the 169 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,920 things I wanted to accomplish just yesterday, on a typical 170 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,470 weekend, I work seven days a week because I like what I do. 171 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,180 But like I was doing something, you know, studying something 172 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:45,330 till like one in the morning last night or this morning, 173 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:50,130 right? And I if I was working at a nine to five, I might not have 174 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:51,900 been doing that, you know, I might have been doing something 175 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:54,360 else, you know, whatever the case is, that's just my time. 176 00:09:55,350 --> 00:09:59,580 But I think he's just more high volume of not prioritizing the 177 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:01,950 things I do because I feel like I have a bunch of time that I 178 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:06,270 really don't. Not prioritizing myself, right. So somebody's not 179 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:09,840 prioritizing who what makes them happy before they start their 180 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,420 workday. Because at the end of the day, one of the biggest, 181 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:15,000 biggest, biggest principle that I write and this, the whole 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,880 reason I wrote it is that I noticed when I'm when I'm 100%, 183 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,710 dedicated to me, first, my performance is amazing, like, 184 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:27,900 almost almost effortless, in a way, when I'm feeling great, and 185 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,020 I'm doing things for myself eating right, you know, just 186 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:34,530 just exercise, whatever makes me happy reading, studying 187 00:10:34,530 --> 00:10:38,760 whatever, I like to do make time for myself to do that. And then 188 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,460 the rest of the day is amazing. For me, and I can handle 189 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:44,910 everything else. You know, it's funny, being efficient is harder 190 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:47,790 than working out how many people like working out in the 191 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:52,710 beginning, almost no one, right. And so being efficient is 192 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:56,490 harder, because you have to pay closer attention to what you're 193 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:59,790 actually doing. And that's really the toughest thing is 194 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:03,480 that, you know, it's what do I consider slacking off? Write the 195 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,300 name of the book slacking off. What do I really think slacking 196 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:10,320 off is? Well, for me, it could be reading, but to somebody else 197 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,240 that could be not slacking, that's like, wow, that's really 198 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,060 good. You should be reading, you know, some people it might be 199 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:19,770 Facebook. But that's the point is, is that you, you really have 200 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:22,740 to have time for yourself first. And then of course, you can 201 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:25,890 handle all these other things that come in your way. And, and, 202 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:28,350 you know, some of the other things. The one thing I'll say 203 00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:30,840 that I haven't touched on, which I know is a big problem for 204 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,870 people who work from home for a long time, even more now is 205 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:38,880 camaraderie, right? That in person, like shoot the shoot, 206 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:42,060 shoot, you know, the opinions around the office, and blah, 207 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:44,790 blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think really, truly, this is the 208 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:48,180 dividing line right now that telling a lot of companies and 209 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:51,630 people what they really want, right? Like if you work from 210 00:11:51,630 --> 00:11:56,040 home for a year, you know if it's for you, right? There's 211 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,890 people that surprise me, when they're like, Hey, I can't wait 212 00:11:58,890 --> 00:12:01,980 to go to the office. I'm like, that's like foreign language 213 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:05,520 that's alien to me. I'm like, what is that, like, go to an 214 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,180 office, like who wants that you can do so much more when you own 215 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:12,330 your time. But that's the key is it's a journey to get to the 216 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:16,230 point where you can actually own your time working from home, and 217 00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:19,860 not just slave driving yourself, right? There's a there's a 218 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:22,500 certain difference, of course. So anyway, that's a little bit 219 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:27,210 not, you know, sequential in number of things. But that 220 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:29,580 should give you a some some good perspective, at least from my 221 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:30,150 viewpoint. 222 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:33,360 Robert Plank: Yeah, it gives us a few things to chew on. And I 223 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,360 think that of those things you listed, what what hits me the 224 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,110 most is have a plan of any kind. And and it's kind of 225 00:12:40,290 --> 00:12:43,770 counterintuitive, right? Because you think, well, I want freedom, 226 00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:45,930 I should just be able to sit down and do whatever I want. 227 00:12:45,930 --> 00:12:48,930 It's like, Yeah, but wouldn't it be better if you sat down and 228 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:52,500 then plans what it is that you wanted, and then when and it 229 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:55,200 went ahead and did that and it's like, it took me forever to 230 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,950 think about because oh, I always thought that? Well, it like 231 00:12:58,950 --> 00:13:01,470 freedom equals not having a plan, but it's kind of the 232 00:13:01,470 --> 00:13:04,710 opposite, right? Like you think bad intuitively, but then if you 233 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:07,740 don't have a plan, then you then you don't have freedom because 234 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:11,310 the time gets away from you and you're just at the mercy of 235 00:13:11,310 --> 00:13:15,330 whatever distractions come in. And there aren't boundaries, and 236 00:13:15,330 --> 00:13:18,540 all that kind of stuff. And so what I liked a lot how you said 237 00:13:18,540 --> 00:13:22,740 there that working from home, you can tell pretty quickly 238 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,500 whether or not it's for you just by doing it and what you're 239 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,620 making me think of is, when I was when I was working nine to 240 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:33,180 five, like I had them switch my hours on some days to be super 241 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:36,450 early so I could get in when no one else was working. And I just 242 00:13:36,450 --> 00:13:40,170 get in it was quiet and I would get all my my activities done. 243 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:42,570 And I wouldn't have to be waiting on anyone else and I 244 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:45,900 wouldn't be distracted and I was almost like working from home 245 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:49,380 while I was there. And I was so grateful for things like remote 246 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:53,250 desktop because sometimes I could Remote Desktop like to 247 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,830 work or from work and get something done on some other 248 00:13:55,830 --> 00:13:58,650 machine without having to physically be there or like get 249 00:13:58,650 --> 00:14:01,260 something processing or get something started up and then 250 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:06,120 pick it up later. And and yeah and as far as the camaraderie 251 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,170 piece like I feel that that falling off with myself more and 252 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:14,340 more like I as soon as I hit as soon as I started working from 253 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:18,810 home, I remember the very first day Mike I put on like clothes 254 00:14:18,810 --> 00:14:21,210 and my my girlfriend time was like, why aren't you wearing 255 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:24,120 your pajamas and I was like because like I need to be like 256 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:27,870 an adult living purse. I can't just be like an ENTJ on showered 257 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:31,500 person. And but and then I knew that there were things like 258 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,290 there were certain like important ingredients that I had 259 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:37,680 to maybe replicate in some way such as the camaraderie piece 260 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,280 and like I joined masterminds and things like that, but then 261 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,980 when the when the pandemic happen, I don't know about you, 262 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:47,400 but like, I was so sick of being on Zoom calls, like you know, 263 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,730 you and me being on a zoom call is great. I think you're one of 264 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:54,510 four today that I have going on in my schedule, but like if I 265 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:59,100 had to be on like, you know, 10 Zoom calls a day or I don't know 266 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:01,710 like sometimes I just feel Like going through these, like once a 267 00:15:01,710 --> 00:15:04,050 month, or once a week masterminds that I used to go 268 00:15:04,050 --> 00:15:06,900 to, it was it kind of felt like a break, it kind of felt like, 269 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:09,720 Okay, I'm like, It's my version of slacking off, right? It's 270 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,780 going out and networking, I don't have to be in front of a 271 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:15,030 computer, I can just kind of talk and like have a 272 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:19,500 conversation. But just when, when things were so so more 273 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:23,400 locked down and virtual and being on Zoom, like, I've kind 274 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,290 of found myself losing interest in meetings in conferences and 275 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:32,100 events, if they all have to be on Zoom. So I mean, can you 276 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:34,800 relate to this? Or is there a solution here to those of us 277 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,620 that are just I'm so tired of a computer screen? Can I just get 278 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:38,190 a break? 279 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:41,670 Unknown: So I'll tell you a quick story real fast? Yes, I 280 00:15:41,790 --> 00:15:46,320 can relate to this, for sure. You know, of course, the 281 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,870 camaraderie is important, masterminds are amazing. And I 282 00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:52,620 think that that is a good solution. But the reason why 283 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:55,080 camaraderie is so good is because you're really kind of 284 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,640 forced to be with that person. Right? It's not like you chose 285 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,460 to go to work with that person, when you're an employee, when 286 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:05,340 you're an employer, it's different, right, you choose 287 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:07,680 your employees totally different. But you're there for 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,620 another reason, rather than just hanging out, right hanging out 289 00:16:10,620 --> 00:16:16,470 is is the byproduct. So I think ultimately, enforcing 290 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:21,510 partnerships like that, with with, you know, co workers and 291 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:24,630 people you work with, while working from home, it can be 292 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:27,420 done very properly. And I'm actually working on this, you 293 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:29,580 know, as a, like, a product and something that I'm thinking 294 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:35,250 about, but, but yeah, it definitely, it definitely will, 295 00:16:35,730 --> 00:16:41,490 will put you in a different place, when you don't really 296 00:16:41,490 --> 00:16:46,050 have the right outlet, if you will, to get that like in person 297 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:50,760 interaction, and zoom fatigue happens. Across like the 298 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,580 country, I do zooms every day, seven days a week, sometimes. 299 00:16:54,390 --> 00:16:58,650 Sometimes I do 567 I think I've done seven or eight back to 300 00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:04,350 back, our long zoom calls where I'm just, you know, and I've 301 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:10,590 definitely been there 100% I think ultimately, though, it 302 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:16,530 really comes with, you know, being there comfortably, and 303 00:17:16,530 --> 00:17:21,000 being able to actually 100% Focus on who's in front of you, 304 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:24,450 like you right now, like I see you and that's that's it, 305 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:28,320 there's things around me, people around me, and I'm focused on 306 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,720 you 100% I noticed recently that I wasn't doing that even just a 307 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,020 little bit, my ability to speak my ability to present do 308 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:39,540 anything, you know, talk to anybody on Zoom was amazing, it 309 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:42,630 was very good, I could do, you know, have a good conversation. 310 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,800 But there was something missing. Right, just something missing. 311 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,280 And I noticed that when I'm not focused directly on the person 312 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,280 right in front of me, and I'm not pretending in my own little, 313 00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:56,340 you know, imagination that they're standing in front of me 314 00:17:56,550 --> 00:18:00,720 that something lacks, for sure. And for me, that's like, huge 315 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,270 man, sometimes I'm dealing with, you know, hundreds of 1000s of 316 00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:06,960 dollars, you know, over zoom calls, I'm dealing with lots of 317 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,330 different things that are very expensive for some people, not 318 00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:14,940 for others. And so that little tiny 10% 1%, whatever you want 319 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:17,700 to call it, that makes a huge impact that could be that could 320 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:22,890 be $200,000, you know, of a myth. So it's different. When 321 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:25,230 you're really, you know, depending on what you're doing 322 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:28,170 for me, I feel like if you're gonna do something, you need to 323 00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:30,810 do it all the way you committed to doing it, whether you feel 324 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:34,590 forced or not, if you're doing it you committed. And sometimes 325 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:36,750 I have to tell myself, I have to say, Listen, you committed to 326 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:41,670 this, I don't care if I feel like I don't want to do it. You 327 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:45,030 committed. And if I committed I'm going to do it, right. And 328 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,310 at the end of the day, like what else do you have to lose, then 329 00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:51,090 to be present 100% like Facebook, Twitter, your email, 330 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:55,740 your girlfriend, your wife, your kids, all those things. Those 331 00:18:55,740 --> 00:19:00,180 things, obviously, are important, but they are not more 332 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:03,960 important than you in your present moment. Doing what you 333 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,390 need to do unless it's an emergency. Of course, forgive 334 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:08,820 that. Of course, if there's an emergency, something happens, of 335 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:11,820 course, you're going to, you know, let your attention go to 336 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,520 that. But I'm just saying in your day to day operations, you 337 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,850 owe it to yourself to be everything you possibly can be 338 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,180 and to constantly bring yourself into that. And I have to do it 339 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:25,950 to myself even now. Because as you become better at this, more 340 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:29,880 things get in your way. Right? The more the better you are, the 341 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,240 more efficient you are, the harder it is to be efficient. 342 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:36,930 It's not the other way around. Right now, for anybody who's not 343 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:41,070 trying to be efficient. It's fine. But they're missing. 344 00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:45,030 They're missing everything. Right? You have 24 hours in a 345 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:48,660 day. You sleep for eight, you sleep for seven sleep for six, 346 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:51,570 you know, whatever makes you comfortable. The rest. I mean, 347 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,690 why would you waste that? Like that's just that doesn't make 348 00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:57,960 sense to me. But I understand how easily that can happen. 349 00:19:58,620 --> 00:20:03,270 Right? So So You know, I'm elaborated a bit on your 350 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:07,380 question. But it really is important. That's that's, again, 351 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:09,420 the whole reason why I wrote this book is because there's 352 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:13,080 this like crazy spiral that happens for people that have 353 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:19,050 more time perception right more time that they actually lose 354 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:24,120 time, way more. If they get if they fall in this trap of like, 355 00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:28,410 I can do whatever I want. Of course you can. But if you 356 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,470 create your own plan and structure, and you have a 357 00:20:31,770 --> 00:20:34,740 emergency plan, so to speak, on how to handle things that come 358 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:37,800 in your way, you at least we'll be better off than the person 359 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,600 who doesn't. You know what I mean? 360 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:43,050 Robert Plank: Yes, I know, I think I know what you mean. And 361 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:47,040 there's so much to think about here. As far as, like, one thing 362 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,430 that you mentioned there is it's so easy to let one one little 363 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:54,420 bad habit slide and then it just gets away from you. Right. And 364 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,990 I'm like, such as not on such as allowing yourself to be 365 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:01,440 distracted on on a zoom call or a podcast. Like there's a for 366 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,690 me, there's a web camera here, I could easily be on this screen 367 00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:06,510 on that screen, I could easily be playing on my phone. And I 368 00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:08,910 mean, you and I have both been in situations like where like 369 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:11,220 that we can tell you the person's kind of sneaking a 370 00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:14,550 little glance here and, and I dropped out of like my 371 00:21:14,550 --> 00:21:17,790 Toastmasters because of that, like I used, I used Toastmasters 372 00:21:17,790 --> 00:21:21,600 to go in like test down material and all all like create a five 373 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,240 minute speech and try something out I might want to use on like 374 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,900 a stage presentation podcast webinar, and which was fine in 375 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,840 person because I could I could see people's reactions body 376 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,750 language, it would help with my my nervousness, when I give the 377 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:36,780 actual speech or when it turned into zoom. I would just see 378 00:21:36,780 --> 00:21:39,990 people on the web cameras and they'd be distracted looking 379 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:42,900 away. And then I thought to myself, well, if they're looking 380 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:46,560 away, is it okay for me to look away. And next thing, you know, 381 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:51,210 no one's paying attention to anyone else, versus being 100% 382 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,570 there and being 100% somewhere else. And I mean, right before 383 00:21:54,570 --> 00:21:59,100 this call, I put the baby away for a nap for a couple of hours. 384 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,310 And then I came to you. And whenever I see these 385 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:05,250 appointments coming up on a calendar, sometimes I think, you 386 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:08,520 know, I'm I have so many things going on, I should I should tell 387 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,070 Mike, that we need to reschedule for next week. And it would be 388 00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:14,970 so easy to do. But why not just do it, because that's what I 389 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:18,150 said that I was going to do. And in the same way that one little 390 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:20,670 bad habit can spiral out of control into something else you 391 00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:24,780 mentioned kind of that whole, that whole issue of once you 392 00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:27,660 become efficient, then you'll you'll rise to even bigger 393 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:30,120 challenges, right? It's like the levels in a video game, you 394 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,330 start off in the easy level, you beat it and you beat it. And as 395 00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:36,780 you progress, it's like it's harder and harder. Just like in 396 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:39,660 your life in your business, you solve problems and it leads you 397 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:41,880 to bigger problems and just requires you to kind of 398 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,810 strengthen your resolve or whatever you want to call it. So 399 00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:48,900 there's there's a lot to think about here. But it seems to me 400 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:53,520 that it comes down again to having a plan and having 401 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,360 boundaries and and just kind of do adhere to all these 402 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,350 principles that maybe seem like cliches, but it's easy just to 403 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:05,100 try to outsmart yourself and find all these ways around in, 404 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:09,090 you know, multitasking and putting things off and delaying 405 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,910 procrastinating all those things. And so I can definitely 406 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:16,140 see why there is very much a need for people like you to show 407 00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:19,830 us the way to have a book out there like slacking off. And so 408 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:22,860 I want to mention slacking off and some of your resources in a 409 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:26,250 moment. But one thing I want to sneak in here in our questions 410 00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:29,220 is you mentioned at the beginning, that you are a little 411 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:32,310 bit involved in the medical field. And I love kind of 412 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:36,630 plugging exactly what someone does in case that ideal prospect 413 00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:39,450 is kind of happens to be listening. So can you tell us 414 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:42,450 about this, this medical thing that you're doing just in case 415 00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:44,670 just the right ideal client for you is listening. 416 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,610 Unknown: Yeah, I mean, I've worked currently in a medical 417 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:53,640 technology company, where I primarily speak with physicians 418 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,940 and surgeons across the country. It's a it's basically a home 419 00:23:56,940 --> 00:24:00,030 physical therapy technology. It's actually one of the first 420 00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:03,810 ever to be able to give a patient the ability to do all of 421 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:07,020 their their physical therapy in their house. without anyone 422 00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:11,580 being there saves a ton of money in relation to people having 423 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:15,840 leave and worry about getting COVID or elderly people. It also 424 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,890 is is something that's pretty much the most advanced in its 425 00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:24,900 field. And the company is named rom sack range of motion 426 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:28,980 technology. And it's up and coming. It's in Brookfield 427 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:33,270 Connecticut, but I basically have helped this company develop 428 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:37,050 relationships with surgeons and hospitals and help them kind of 429 00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:40,800 expand in the way of of, you know, the way they want to 430 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,680 operate or help patients. But really the technology helps 431 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,490 people helps people get better quicker, make less narcotics, I 432 00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:50,220 mean there's a lot of major benefit and what we face as 433 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:56,670 challenges in as people and in medicine, and I think they 434 00:24:56,670 --> 00:24:59,700 launched their first couple products right before COVID than 435 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:04,740 ever But he was at home. And so it's a very wanted and needed 436 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,810 item in the rehabilitation space. Because obviously, you 437 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:12,330 know, physical therapies there, but there's just not enough, 438 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:17,640 there's not enough people need more and it's funny. The working 439 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:24,000 from home thing is, is more, you know, prevail at nowadays. But 440 00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:27,630 what happens when you're sitting down, and you're working at home 441 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,090 and you're not paying attention to the time and not taking care 442 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:34,200 of yourself is more prevalent to me because I speak to doctors in 443 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,010 almost every specialty. And the one thing they tell me is, you 444 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:41,100 know, having a person move and have nutrition. And that's kind 445 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:45,330 of one of the reasons why I also put this, this idea of having a 446 00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:49,140 plan and getting time for yourself in the book is because 447 00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:54,990 the more I hear business owners and doctors who run, you know, 448 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:58,620 major surgery centers and offices who work from home, the 449 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:01,860 more I realized I needed to create or finish this book, as I 450 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:06,480 started writing it in 2019. I don't think I've ever come 451 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,570 across a person that doesn't work from home in some form, or 452 00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:13,050 fashion weather employee or business owner that can't use 453 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:15,330 what I've written in this book, and one of these very simple 454 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:19,020 exercises to master their own thing. And it's really for them 455 00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:23,070 to create their own version, right, I didn't put in the book, 456 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:28,230 here's an exercise, here's how I did it great. Be like me, I put, 457 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:32,250 here's an exercise of what I did to dig myself out of a hole. And 458 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:35,280 here's how I did it the worst way possible. And this is why I 459 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,060 did that. And then you create your own comparison. Right, you 460 00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:42,450 can definitely do better than that. And so at the end of the 461 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:45,720 whole thing, what the whole purpose of this is that take 462 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,620 what you're doing working from home reinvented event be better. 463 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,550 And then you've learned enough skill here or enough information 464 00:26:53,550 --> 00:26:58,140 that you possibly didn't know, to be, you know, the the one 465 00:26:58,140 --> 00:27:00,780 that can handle the bigger barriers, right? I want you to 466 00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:03,300 advance, I want you to have a master your time master 467 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,180 yourself, and do it in a little ways. And then of course, you 468 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,760 want to take bigger leaps and do it with other tools and things. 469 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:12,360 By all means for our work week problems at work. I mean, all 470 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,610 these different books that I put at the at the back, there's two 471 00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:19,830 books that are just fundamental for helping me be amazing at 472 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:22,590 working from home. And that's, you know, all a part of 473 00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:25,080 Robert Plank: it. Like I can tell you're passionate about 474 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,310 what you do. And especially as far as helping out this medical 475 00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:33,000 company, I think it I can tell it gives you a reason to get out 476 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,670 of bed in the morning. And it's like if you don't show up, if 477 00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:38,280 you if you miss these calls, if you don't do your work, then 478 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:41,970 peep like people will suffer like people are that people's 479 00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:45,240 lives are improved by what it is that you do. And I mean, it 480 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,610 seems like from what you're saying here is this like this, 481 00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:52,500 the magic of working from home and all the modern conveniences 482 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,100 that we have is that anyone can find the right fit. You know, 483 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:58,140 you don't have to be stuck in an office, you don't have to be 484 00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,720 stuck in a career, you don't have to be stuck in a job that 485 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,170 you don't want. You think about all these people that you know, 486 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,380 lost these jobs that they had and never went back to those old 487 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:11,100 jobs because they found online work, they found something that 488 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,460 was better for them or more fulfilling, but maybe came with 489 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:18,300 new challenges, time management challenges, physical challenges 490 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,300 that you're mentioning. And and so yeah, and there's a lot to 491 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,240 think about here and kind of what you're kind of like, you 492 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,340 know, like when you talk to someone, and it digs up all 493 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:28,650 these old things in your brain, what it's sticking up in my 494 00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:32,280 brain is a few years ago, there was some Gary Vaynerchuk video 495 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,890 where he was he was saying like, you know, in the old days, you'd 496 00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:38,580 work 18 to 65 or you down or maybe you die when you're like 497 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:42,690 60 or something, right? You get a job at pg&e, and you just work 498 00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:45,330 well all those decades. And that was it. And you clocked in nine 499 00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:47,610 to five, Monday through Friday, and that was all you had to 500 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:51,780 worry about. But now we might live to be 100 We might be you 501 00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:55,800 know, working through our 80s and 90s. But not working in the 502 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,730 same way that you you know, be like digging a ditch, you'd be 503 00:28:59,730 --> 00:29:03,090 you're working in a way that's fulfilling that is maybe 504 00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:06,150 changing like five or six careers over your lifetime. And 505 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:09,780 so what that says to me is by going through all that, that 506 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:13,200 journey like we can all find our right fit and even even just 507 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960 like some of the advice that you hinted out about your book, it's 508 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,650 like there's kind of these modern day skills of trying to 509 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,520 strike that balance between saying okay, Mike has the these 510 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,030 principles and kind of this loose plan for me. And it's 511 00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:30,300 important for me to follow instructions and not just 512 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,710 disregard what he says but then also find out what is a custom 513 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:38,430 solution for me and it's kind of like just these two kind of two 514 00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:41,580 kind of barriers right? There's the on the one side there's what 515 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:45,750 can I follow some directions but then on the other side end of it 516 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:49,260 there is can I have enough flexibility to try out what Mike 517 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:52,590 is telling me in his book slacking off and see, well, is 518 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:56,100 this strategy work or do I do like this more like this four 519 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,800 hour workweek lifestyle? So there was just like so much to 520 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,150 think about so much sugar about these kind of modern day skills 521 00:30:03,150 --> 00:30:06,390 where you're not just working in the factory, you're not just 522 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:09,690 clocking in clocking out, you might have to kind of think and 523 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:14,550 adapt and adjust more than we have had to in the past decades. 524 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:19,050 And so how do we get slacking off? And do you have any other 525 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:21,120 websites URLs to plug for us today? 526 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:24,450 Unknown: I really, it's just, it's for sale on Amazon, you can 527 00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:27,720 get the hard copy, you can get the digital version, but that's 528 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840 the only place for sale, I don't have it for sale anywhere else. 529 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:37,590 And, you know, honestly, that's, that's really the main channel 530 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:40,560 for somebody to get, you know, benefit, you know, working from 531 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,220 home and learning. I mean, I think that truly, if somebody 532 00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:46,470 goes through it, like I said, Doesn't matter who they are, 533 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:49,320 doesn't matter how good they are, or how bad they are at 534 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,150 working from home, or being a remote worker, you know, or even 535 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:57,180 going into it, I think this would be beneficial. I mean, 536 00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:59,190 it's the one thing you mentioned, to me, it just makes 537 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,940 me think about the first chapter of the slacking off list that I 538 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:06,030 have everybody do is the beginning exercise, it's like it 539 00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:08,820 doesn't matter if you can work from home forever, everybody 540 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:11,730 benefits from looking at what they do when they slack off. 541 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:15,780 And, and until you actually take a day to figure that out. And 542 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:19,530 truly avoid work for a full day. And then write down what you do 543 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:22,470 and how long it takes you. When you're slacking off, you really 544 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:26,580 don't know. And that's I think, is the so one piece but but not 545 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:29,850 to go too far off into, you know, the tangent on that, I 546 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:32,850 would just say if you if you you know, like the book, obviously, 547 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:36,870 please do share it with somebody who you feel like would benefit. 548 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:40,080 You know, this is this was solely created to help somebody 549 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:43,770 not fall into the pitfalls and the traps of being miserable, 550 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:48,180 working from home, I want to maintain the dream of enjoying 551 00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:52,470 working from home and having all those benefits. And so this is 552 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,070 this is kind of like my way of trying to help people maintain 553 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,320 that dream of working from home and enjoying it. 554 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,280 Robert Plank: And we all could could use a little bit of a push 555 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,980 in the direction of that dream, right? Because there is there's 556 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:07,890 there's what's envision there slept that perfect lifestyle and 557 00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:11,460 then reality will sometimes doesn't quite match up to that. 558 00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:15,570 But maybe we could get closer to the dream if we get a little bit 559 00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:19,620 refocused. And, and it's easy to kind of let bad habits creep in. 560 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:21,990 And then next thing you know, it's almost like driving a car 561 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:24,570 blindfolded, just kind of, you're going this way. And that 562 00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:27,540 way, it's better to have a more of a plan. I like what you said 563 00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:30,960 there, Mike of like, this is for so many people, right? This 564 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,330 might be for someone who has just been dropped in the work 565 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:37,920 from home experience, because of you know, the career or like the 566 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,950 world changes. Maybe they're just now trying to figure out 567 00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:43,740 the work from home thing. Maybe they're like you and me where 568 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,840 they've been doing it for years. And they could just use a 569 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,990 refresher or saying, you know, it was working for a while. But 570 00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:51,600 now it's not quite working. I need to look at this book and 571 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,930 figure out where the problem is. Or even there might be a little 572 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,960 bit of someone who's like thinking about taking the leap, 573 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,810 right? Someone who says, you know, I hate this office thing, 574 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:03,660 but I don't know if working from home would be better. Maybe I 575 00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:07,620 can check out this book and kind of have an idea of what it could 576 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:11,340 be like or figure out if it is for me. So if that sounds like 577 00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:15,180 you and podcast listening land, and check out the book, slacking 578 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:18,990 off on Amazon, from Mike Arnold. Anything else to say her mic as 579 00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:20,850 we wrap up, wind down our conversation. 580 00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:23,820 Unknown: Now. Thank you. It was a good conversation. I 581 00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:27,030 definitely like like your style, so I appreciate it. 582 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:29,670 Robert Plank: Well, I like your style to a couple of work from 583 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:33,810 home guys just doing our own custom improvisational fly by 584 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:37,230 the seat of our pants thing. And we both have a lot of fun. We're 585 00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:39,780 both passionate and are both pursuing and fulfilling our 586 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:43,320 dreams. So if you too want to pursue your dreams, get the book 587 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,130 slacking off Mike Arnold on Amazon. You'll be glad you did. 588 00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:56,580 This is Robert plank from dfi. podcast.com forward slash free 589 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,390 me and my team are super excited to jump into your podcast 590 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:03,540 whether it already exists, whether it's brand new, whether 591 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:07,110 it's just in the idea stage, set up a call and contact us today 592 00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:11,850 claim your free gift at deify podcast.com/free and we will see 593 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:12,420 you there