837: Remote Work From Home Masterplan: Implement the Entrepreneur Lifestyle with Mike Arnold

Robert Plank 0:00 marketer of the Day episode eight free seven, remote work from home master plan, implement the entrepreneur lifestyle with Mike Arnold. Welcome back to the marketer of the day podcast. We're here with the man the myth, the legend himself, Mr. Mike Arnold. Mike is a work at home entrepreneur. He has skills that range from business management, to business development, time management, strategy, efficiency, coaching, and much more. Mike, glad to be talking to you.

Unknown Speaker 0:33 Yeah, good to be here. Robert. Thank you very

Robert Plank 0:35 welcome. Just before this call, I went and looked you up real quick, I saw you have like a book called slacking off. But can you tell us what you're all about and what your focus is these days?

Speaker 2 0:46 Well, you know, I'm a work from home entrepreneur, I, I work right now in the medical field, medical technology, I basically, I'm all about being efficient, while as efficient as you can be working from home and helping others balance their work life situations, and, obviously want to talk about the book that I wrote to help people just be happier working from home and be more efficient and being more present. And, and there

Robert Plank 1:15 were lots of things to talk about there. Because, you know, guys like you and me doing the work at home thing. We were kind of weird for a bunch of years, right? Where everyone else was like the nine to five was the norm. And then all this crazy stuff happened in the world. And it flipped on us a little bit. And I don't know about you, Mike. But it was such a first of all, it was such a trade off. I felt like a lot of the time that I got from not commuting and not having to do all all the office stuff. It I got this extra time. But then I know I didn't use it right. And I had to come up with some new strategies, like get myself motivated, and things like that. And so what have you noticed? Like, what is kind of your What have been your difficulties? And what have you had to kind of do that maybe took a little bit of work in order to make the most out of this work from home time?

Speaker 2 2:05 Where are you? Are you speaking? Post COVID? Are you speaking just in general working from home? Because obviously there's there's different scenarios that have taken place more recently?

Robert Plank 2:15 Well, there's different scenarios, but I just I mean, like, as far as like you, you personally, Mr. Mike Arnold, what have you struggled with as far as this whole time management for homeschooling?

Speaker 2 2:26 I mean, you know, I've been working from home for 15 years, right? So today, what what I struggle with is totally different than what I struggled with in the beginning. But ultimately, I think every person working from home, or actually, I won't say I think I know, runs into situations that they could have handled better. So for me, I think it would just really go into it, all the things that pull your attention in one direction or another. And making a decision on whether or not you should have spent time taking that phone call or reading that email or doing that one thing, when you could have been more efficient. I think a lot of people just kind of go throughout their day just trying to be the best they can be in handling everything that they have coming at them. And I think for me, you know, it's a constant, is this the most efficient thing I can be doing in this moment? And when you know, I work for a corporation, it was is this the most appropriate meeting for me to be having right at this moment? Is this the most efficient, whether it's monetarily or it's, it's can this go the distance? Is this really the best thing for my time. And that's something I still run into today. You know, I'm sitting still, I'm reading something, I'm taking a course I'm teaching somebody something, I'm presenting something. And I definitely want to make sure that at one I'm present and two, that you know what I'm doing is efficient and worth it right worth it to me worth it to whoever's on the other end and, and worth it to my future. So I think I would just say the things that really randomly take place in the middle of what you're trying to focus on. And, you know, making the right decision to either take it or not take it right. I mean, there's there's a lot of philosophies out there, like just handle everything that comes your way, which I believe in to a degree, but then you know, you get a phone call from a co worker or a friend that wants to talk about something, it really doesn't matter. You don't want to be rude to them. Right? You definitely don't want to be a bad friend or coworker. But the truth of the matter is, is that's not as important as what you may have to do right at that very moment. So making the right decision for yourself and your future on a daily basis and an hourly basis on a on a minute basis is necessary in order to function and be successful in my opinion. And so that's that's really, you know, a lot of this is built on that it's built on me looking back and saying, Man, I dug myself in a huge hole because I kept answering the phone. I kept taking that meeting whether it was a boss or a friend or client And when it wasn't appropriate, and, you know, maybe it was once, maybe twice, and then digging into the things that take your time away, like being on social media, or just being idle too much, right? Because you, you didn't get that idle time that you were looking for in the beginning of the day. So now you're doing it throughout your day, and you're taking away from all the things you're doing. Right, that happens to all of us, I'm sure. Right, in some degree or another. And so I think it's just really more. You know, like I said, things that take your attention away, where you don't even notice. And I'd say that's probably the biggest culprit of inefficiency is not paying attention to what you're doing.

Robert Plank 5:39 Yeah. And there's, there's so much to think about. And as you're kind of describing, you know, do I do I do this? Or do I do that, it almost feels like you can't win, right? It's like you have like, there's probably like maybe five or six possible templates for the way that your day could go. And there's like maybe the worst possible scenario, which has nothing done total waste of time. And there's maybe like, Well do all these things in parallel or get to these different appointments. But there's space in between? And it seems like there's like the the least worst option, right? And it seems like there's never a perfect day. And there's always like a million things going on. And so you know, you and I are kind of similar here, Mike, in that you we've been that this for a decade plus, right. We both been working from home for over 10 years. And you know, 10 years ago, there was like different I think that the distractions were not as aggressive as they are now with the social media, but also hesitantly while to figure out simple things like, you know, close my office door, which is still kind of relevant today, or things like have a Google Calendar, or have appointments on the calendar, which are all things that was like, were things that I had to figure out slowly over time. And then what's what's cool now, as you and I know, is that these last couple of years, video chat has become way better way more reliable, way easier, way faster, you click a button, and you do it. But I sometimes think that if I was in, if I was younger, if I was in school, nowadays, with Facebook and texting and all the distractions, I probably be an F student. And I have to really put forward like the the willpower in order to resist the new temptation. So it kind of feels like a trade off to me, like we get all these new productivity tools. And a lot of things are easier. You don't have to spend a week formatting and setting up your computer, you just like use an app, or you use stuff in the cloud. But then the result that comes with this price of all these other things popping up. And you know, you mentioned a few minutes ago here that I know there's a difference between the way it's always been and then kind of the the COVID challenges and the post COVID challenges. So can you tell me what you've been seeing as far as like the maybe the last couple of years or a couple of months? Like what are the recent new problems that people are having versus the problems that have already existed as far as working from home?

Speaker 2 7:57 Um, you know, I don't I don't know if they're necessarily that I'm seeing different problems other than more higher volume of those problems, the problems are the same. It's really just the volume. But first, I want to say, you know, you hit the nail on the head about feeling like you can't win. That's actually the whole reason I wrote this book, right is for the person who feels like they can't win, and that no matter what somebody is going to suffer. Because that's not true. It's true if you make it true, but it's definitely not true. If you if you handle things properly, and have a plan for yourself that you created. But I would say to answer your question. It's really, you know, the typical things, you know, doing something too long, right? Like, that's not work related, working too much. Because you're working from home on your own. And therefore if the truth is, is averaged across all people, we're our own worst critic. we're our own worst boss, or own or slave driver, we're everything. And we're probably, you know, we'll either make ourselves have a lot of lazy time, or we'll work really hard. There's really not a very good in between for most people. Some people may be but but generally people that work from home for a long period of time, and you can attest to this work longer and more than they did when they worked in an office. And I know that's true for me, because, like, I think, just from the things I wanted to accomplish just yesterday, on a typical weekend, I work seven days a week because I like what I do. But like I was doing something, you know, studying something till like one in the morning last night or this morning, right? And I if I was working at a nine to five, I might not have been doing that, you know, I might have been doing something else, you know, whatever the case is, that's just my time. But I think he's just more high volume of not prioritizing the things I do because I feel like I have a bunch of time that I really don't. Not prioritizing myself, right. So somebody's not prioritizing who what makes them happy before they start their workday. Because at the end of the day, one of the biggest, biggest, biggest principle that I write and this, the whole reason I wrote it is that I noticed when I'm when I'm 100%, dedicated to me, first, my performance is amazing, like, almost almost effortless, in a way, when I'm feeling great, and I'm doing things for myself eating right, you know, just just exercise, whatever makes me happy reading, studying whatever, I like to do make time for myself to do that. And then the rest of the day is amazing. For me, and I can handle everything else. You know, it's funny, being efficient is harder than working out how many people like working out in the beginning, almost no one, right. And so being efficient is harder, because you have to pay closer attention to what you're actually doing. And that's really the toughest thing is that, you know, it's what do I consider slacking off? Write the name of the book slacking off. What do I really think slacking off is? Well, for me, it could be reading, but to somebody else that could be not slacking, that's like, wow, that's really good. You should be reading, you know, some people it might be Facebook. But that's the point is, is that you, you really have to have time for yourself first. And then of course, you can handle all these other things that come in your way. And, and, you know, some of the other things. The one thing I'll say that I haven't touched on, which I know is a big problem for people who work from home for a long time, even more now is camaraderie, right? That in person, like shoot the shoot, shoot, you know, the opinions around the office, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think really, truly, this is the dividing line right now that telling a lot of companies and people what they really want, right? Like if you work from home for a year, you know if it's for you, right? There's people that surprise me, when they're like, Hey, I can't wait to go to the office. I'm like, that's like foreign language that's alien to me. I'm like, what is that, like, go to an office, like who wants that you can do so much more when you own your time. But that's the key is it's a journey to get to the point where you can actually own your time working from home, and not just slave driving yourself, right? There's a there's a certain difference, of course. So anyway, that's a little bit not, you know, sequential in number of things. But that should give you a some some good perspective, at least from my viewpoint.

Robert Plank 12:31 Yeah, it gives us a few things to chew on. And I think that of those things you listed, what what hits me the most is have a plan of any kind. And and it's kind of counterintuitive, right? Because you think, well, I want freedom, I should just be able to sit down and do whatever I want. It's like, Yeah, but wouldn't it be better if you sat down and then plans what it is that you wanted, and then when and it went ahead and did that and it's like, it took me forever to think about because oh, I always thought that? Well, it like freedom equals not having a plan, but it's kind of the opposite, right? Like you think bad intuitively, but then if you don't have a plan, then you then you don't have freedom because the time gets away from you and you're just at the mercy of whatever distractions come in. And there aren't boundaries, and all that kind of stuff. And so what I liked a lot how you said there that working from home, you can tell pretty quickly whether or not it's for you just by doing it and what you're making me think of is, when I was when I was working nine to five, like I had them switch my hours on some days to be super early so I could get in when no one else was working. And I just get in it was quiet and I would get all my my activities done. And I wouldn't have to be waiting on anyone else and I wouldn't be distracted and I was almost like working from home while I was there. And I was so grateful for things like remote desktop because sometimes I could Remote Desktop like to work or from work and get something done on some other machine without having to physically be there or like get something processing or get something started up and then pick it up later. And and yeah and as far as the camaraderie piece like I feel that that falling off with myself more and more like I as soon as I hit as soon as I started working from home, I remember the very first day Mike I put on like clothes and my my girlfriend time was like, why aren't you wearing your pajamas and I was like because like I need to be like an adult living purse. I can't just be like an ENTJ on showered person. And but and then I knew that there were things like there were certain like important ingredients that I had to maybe replicate in some way such as the camaraderie piece and like I joined masterminds and things like that, but then when the when the pandemic happen, I don't know about you, but like, I was so sick of being on Zoom calls, like you know, you and me being on a zoom call is great. I think you're one of four today that I have going on in my schedule, but like if I had to be on like, you know, 10 Zoom calls a day or I don't know like sometimes I just feel Like going through these, like once a month, or once a week masterminds that I used to go to, it was it kind of felt like a break, it kind of felt like, Okay, I'm like, It's my version of slacking off, right? It's going out and networking, I don't have to be in front of a computer, I can just kind of talk and like have a conversation. But just when, when things were so so more locked down and virtual and being on Zoom, like, I've kind of found myself losing interest in meetings in conferences and events, if they all have to be on Zoom. So I mean, can you relate to this? Or is there a solution here to those of us that are just I'm so tired of a computer screen? Can I just get a break?

Speaker 2 15:38 So I'll tell you a quick story real fast? Yes, I can relate to this, for sure. You know, of course, the camaraderie is important, masterminds are amazing. And I think that that is a good solution. But the reason why camaraderie is so good is because you're really kind of forced to be with that person. Right? It's not like you chose to go to work with that person, when you're an employee, when you're an employer, it's different, right, you choose your employees totally different. But you're there for another reason, rather than just hanging out, right hanging out is is the byproduct. So I think ultimately, enforcing partnerships like that, with with, you know, co workers and people you work with, while working from home, it can be done very properly. And I'm actually working on this, you know, as a, like, a product and something that I'm thinking about, but, but yeah, it definitely, it definitely will, will put you in a different place, when you don't really have the right outlet, if you will, to get that like in person interaction, and zoom fatigue happens. Across like the country, I do zooms every day, seven days a week, sometimes. Sometimes I do 567 I think I've done seven or eight back to back, our long zoom calls where I'm just, you know, and I've definitely been there 100% I think ultimately, though, it really comes with, you know, being there comfortably, and being able to actually 100% Focus on who's in front of you, like you right now, like I see you and that's that's it, there's things around me, people around me, and I'm focused on you 100% I noticed recently that I wasn't doing that even just a little bit, my ability to speak my ability to present do anything, you know, talk to anybody on Zoom was amazing, it was very good, I could do, you know, have a good conversation. But there was something missing. Right, just something missing. And I noticed that when I'm not focused directly on the person right in front of me, and I'm not pretending in my own little, you know, imagination that they're standing in front of me that something lacks, for sure. And for me, that's like, huge man, sometimes I'm dealing with, you know, hundreds of 1000s of dollars, you know, over zoom calls, I'm dealing with lots of different things that are very expensive for some people, not for others. And so that little tiny 10% 1%, whatever you want to call it, that makes a huge impact that could be that could be $200,000, you know, of a myth. So it's different. When you're really, you know, depending on what you're doing for me, I feel like if you're gonna do something, you need to do it all the way you committed to doing it, whether you feel forced or not, if you're doing it you committed. And sometimes I have to tell myself, I have to say, Listen, you committed to this, I don't care if I feel like I don't want to do it. You committed. And if I committed I'm going to do it, right. And at the end of the day, like what else do you have to lose, then to be present 100% like Facebook, Twitter, your email, your girlfriend, your wife, your kids, all those things. Those things, obviously, are important, but they are not more important than you in your present moment. Doing what you need to do unless it's an emergency. Of course, forgive that. Of course, if there's an emergency, something happens, of course, you're going to, you know, let your attention go to that. But I'm just saying in your day to day operations, you owe it to yourself to be everything you possibly can be and to constantly bring yourself into that. And I have to do it to myself even now. Because as you become better at this, more things get in your way. Right? The more the better you are, the more efficient you are, the harder it is to be efficient. It's not the other way around. Right now, for anybody who's not trying to be efficient. It's fine. But they're missing. They're missing everything. Right? You have 24 hours in a day. You sleep for eight, you sleep for seven sleep for six, you know, whatever makes you comfortable. The rest. I mean, why would you waste that? Like that's just that doesn't make sense to me. But I understand how easily that can happen. Right? So So You know, I'm elaborated a bit on your question. But it really is important. That's that's, again, the whole reason why I wrote this book is because there's this like crazy spiral that happens for people that have more time perception right more time that they actually lose time, way more. If they get if they fall in this trap of like, I can do whatever I want. Of course you can. But if you create your own plan and structure, and you have a emergency plan, so to speak, on how to handle things that come in your way, you at least we'll be better off than the person who doesn't. You know what I mean?

Robert Plank 20:40 Yes, I know, I think I know what you mean. And there's so much to think about here. As far as, like, one thing that you mentioned there is it's so easy to let one one little bad habit slide and then it just gets away from you. Right. And I'm like, such as not on such as allowing yourself to be distracted on on a zoom call or a podcast. Like there's a for me, there's a web camera here, I could easily be on this screen on that screen, I could easily be playing on my phone. And I mean, you and I have both been in situations like where like that we can tell you the person's kind of sneaking a little glance here and, and I dropped out of like my Toastmasters because of that, like I used, I used Toastmasters to go in like test down material and all all like create a five minute speech and try something out I might want to use on like a stage presentation podcast webinar, and which was fine in person because I could I could see people's reactions body language, it would help with my my nervousness, when I give the actual speech or when it turned into zoom. I would just see people on the web cameras and they'd be distracted looking away. And then I thought to myself, well, if they're looking away, is it okay for me to look away. And next thing, you know, no one's paying attention to anyone else, versus being 100% there and being 100% somewhere else. And I mean, right before this call, I put the baby away for a nap for a couple of hours. And then I came to you. And whenever I see these appointments coming up on a calendar, sometimes I think, you know, I'm I have so many things going on, I should I should tell Mike, that we need to reschedule for next week. And it would be so easy to do. But why not just do it, because that's what I said that I was going to do. And in the same way that one little bad habit can spiral out of control into something else you mentioned kind of that whole, that whole issue of once you become efficient, then you'll you'll rise to even bigger challenges, right? It's like the levels in a video game, you start off in the easy level, you beat it and you beat it. And as you progress, it's like it's harder and harder. Just like in your life in your business, you solve problems and it leads you to bigger problems and just requires you to kind of strengthen your resolve or whatever you want to call it. So there's there's a lot to think about here. But it seems to me that it comes down again to having a plan and having boundaries and and just kind of do adhere to all these principles that maybe seem like cliches, but it's easy just to try to outsmart yourself and find all these ways around in, you know, multitasking and putting things off and delaying procrastinating all those things. And so I can definitely see why there is very much a need for people like you to show us the way to have a book out there like slacking off. And so I want to mention slacking off and some of your resources in a moment. But one thing I want to sneak in here in our questions is you mentioned at the beginning, that you are a little bit involved in the medical field. And I love kind of plugging exactly what someone does in case that ideal prospect is kind of happens to be listening. So can you tell us about this, this medical thing that you're doing just in case just the right ideal client for you is listening.

Speaker 2 23:45 Yeah, I mean, I've worked currently in a medical technology company, where I primarily speak with physicians and surgeons across the country. It's a it's basically a home physical therapy technology. It's actually one of the first ever to be able to give a patient the ability to do all of their their physical therapy in their house. without anyone being there saves a ton of money in relation to people having leave and worry about getting COVID or elderly people. It also is is something that's pretty much the most advanced in its field. And the company is named rom sack range of motion technology. And it's up and coming. It's in Brookfield Connecticut, but I basically have helped this company develop relationships with surgeons and hospitals and help them kind of expand in the way of of, you know, the way they want to operate or help patients. But really the technology helps people helps people get better quicker, make less narcotics, I mean there's a lot of major benefit and what we face as challenges in as people and in medicine, and I think they launched their first couple products right before COVID than ever But he was at home. And so it's a very wanted and needed item in the rehabilitation space. Because obviously, you know, physical therapies there, but there's just not enough, there's not enough people need more and it's funny. The working from home thing is, is more, you know, prevail at nowadays. But what happens when you're sitting down, and you're working at home and you're not paying attention to the time and not taking care of yourself is more prevalent to me because I speak to doctors in almost every specialty. And the one thing they tell me is, you know, having a person move and have nutrition. And that's kind of one of the reasons why I also put this, this idea of having a plan and getting time for yourself in the book is because the more I hear business owners and doctors who run, you know, major surgery centers and offices who work from home, the more I realized I needed to create or finish this book, as I started writing it in 2019. I don't think I've ever come across a person that doesn't work from home in some form, or fashion weather employee or business owner that can't use what I've written in this book, and one of these very simple exercises to master their own thing. And it's really for them to create their own version, right, I didn't put in the book, here's an exercise, here's how I did it great. Be like me, I put, here's an exercise of what I did to dig myself out of a hole. And here's how I did it the worst way possible. And this is why I did that. And then you create your own comparison. Right, you can definitely do better than that. And so at the end of the whole thing, what the whole purpose of this is that take what you're doing working from home reinvented event be better. And then you've learned enough skill here or enough information that you possibly didn't know, to be, you know, the the one that can handle the bigger barriers, right? I want you to advance, I want you to have a master your time master yourself, and do it in a little ways. And then of course, you want to take bigger leaps and do it with other tools and things. By all means for our work week problems at work. I mean, all these different books that I put at the at the back, there's two books that are just fundamental for helping me be amazing at working from home. And that's, you know, all a part of

Robert Plank 27:22 it. Like I can tell you're passionate about what you do. And especially as far as helping out this medical company, I think it I can tell it gives you a reason to get out of bed in the morning. And it's like if you don't show up, if you if you miss these calls, if you don't do your work, then peep like people will suffer like people are that people's lives are improved by what it is that you do. And I mean, it seems like from what you're saying here is this like this, the magic of working from home and all the modern conveniences that we have is that anyone can find the right fit. You know, you don't have to be stuck in an office, you don't have to be stuck in a career, you don't have to be stuck in a job that you don't want. You think about all these people that you know, lost these jobs that they had and never went back to those old jobs because they found online work, they found something that was better for them or more fulfilling, but maybe came with new challenges, time management challenges, physical challenges that you're mentioning. And and so yeah, and there's a lot to think about here and kind of what you're kind of like, you know, like when you talk to someone, and it digs up all these old things in your brain, what it's sticking up in my brain is a few years ago, there was some Gary Vaynerchuk video where he was he was saying like, you know, in the old days, you'd work 18 to 65 or you down or maybe you die when you're like 60 or something, right? You get a job at pg&e, and you just work well all those decades. And that was it. And you clocked in nine to five, Monday through Friday, and that was all you had to worry about. But now we might live to be 100 We might be you know, working through our 80s and 90s. But not working in the same way that you you know, be like digging a ditch, you'd be you're working in a way that's fulfilling that is maybe changing like five or six careers over your lifetime. And so what that says to me is by going through all that, that journey like we can all find our right fit and even even just like some of the advice that you hinted out about your book, it's like there's kind of these modern day skills of trying to strike that balance between saying okay, Mike has the these principles and kind of this loose plan for me. And it's important for me to follow instructions and not just disregard what he says but then also find out what is a custom solution for me and it's kind of like just these two kind of two kind of barriers right? There's the on the one side there's what can I follow some directions but then on the other side end of it there is can I have enough flexibility to try out what Mike is telling me in his book slacking off and see, well, is this strategy work or do I do like this more like this four hour workweek lifestyle? So there was just like so much to think about so much sugar about these kind of modern day skills where you're not just working in the factory, you're not just clocking in clocking out, you might have to kind of think and adapt and adjust more than we have had to in the past decades. And so how do we get slacking off? And do you have any other websites URLs to plug for us today?

Speaker 2 30:21 I really, it's just, it's for sale on Amazon, you can get the hard copy, you can get the digital version, but that's the only place for sale, I don't have it for sale anywhere else. And, you know, honestly, that's, that's really the main channel for somebody to get, you know, benefit, you know, working from home and learning. I mean, I think that truly, if somebody goes through it, like I said, Doesn't matter who they are, doesn't matter how good they are, or how bad they are at working from home, or being a remote worker, you know, or even going into it, I think this would be beneficial. I mean, it's the one thing you mentioned, to me, it just makes me think about the first chapter of the slacking off list that I have everybody do is the beginning exercise, it's like it doesn't matter if you can work from home forever, everybody benefits from looking at what they do when they slack off. And, and until you actually take a day to figure that out. And truly avoid work for a full day. And then write down what you do and how long it takes you. When you're slacking off, you really don't know. And that's I think, is the so one piece but but not to go too far off into, you know, the tangent on that, I would just say if you if you you know, like the book, obviously, please do share it with somebody who you feel like would benefit. You know, this is this was solely created to help somebody not fall into the pitfalls and the traps of being miserable, working from home, I want to maintain the dream of enjoying working from home and having all those benefits. And so this is this is kind of like my way of trying to help people maintain that dream of working from home and enjoying it.

Robert Plank 31:59 And we all could could use a little bit of a push in the direction of that dream, right? Because there is there's there's what's envision there slept that perfect lifestyle and then reality will sometimes doesn't quite match up to that. But maybe we could get closer to the dream if we get a little bit refocused. And, and it's easy to kind of let bad habits creep in. And then next thing you know, it's almost like driving a car blindfolded, just kind of, you're going this way. And that way, it's better to have a more of a plan. I like what you said there, Mike of like, this is for so many people, right? This might be for someone who has just been dropped in the work from home experience, because of you know, the career or like the world changes. Maybe they're just now trying to figure out the work from home thing. Maybe they're like you and me where they've been doing it for years. And they could just use a refresher or saying, you know, it was working for a while. But now it's not quite working. I need to look at this book and figure out where the problem is. Or even there might be a little bit of someone who's like thinking about taking the leap, right? Someone who says, you know, I hate this office thing, but I don't know if working from home would be better. Maybe I can check out this book and kind of have an idea of what it could be like or figure out if it is for me. So if that sounds like you and podcast listening land, and check out the book, slacking off on Amazon, from Mike Arnold. Anything else to say her mic as we wrap up, wind down our conversation.

Speaker 2 33:21 Now. Thank you. It was a good conversation. I definitely like like your style, so I appreciate it.

Robert Plank 33:27 Well, I like your style to a couple of work from home guys just doing our own custom improvisational fly by the seat of our pants thing. And we both have a lot of fun. We're both passionate and are both pursuing and fulfilling our dreams. So if you too want to pursue your dreams, get the book slacking off Mike Arnold on Amazon. You'll be glad you did. This is Robert plank from dfi. podcast.com forward slash free me and my team are super excited to jump into your podcast whether it already exists, whether it's brand new, whether it's just in the idea stage, set up a call and contact us today claim your free gift at deify podcast.com/free and we will see you there