570: Increase Cashflow Using Bitcoin with Cryptocurrency Expert Casey Stubbs

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Robert Plank 0:04 using Bitcoin with cryptocurrency expert Casey Stubbs, Hey everyone, and welcome back to the marketer of the day podcast. We're chatting with Casey Stubbs from finance and markets.com and Casey and his company and his team, they help you get your money figured out all the latest and greatest tips and trends when it comes to making money in the financial markets and all the things that seems to change and happen day after day. And Casey has the finance and markets cash flow hacking podcast. Where on that podcast he's gonna he gives you expert tips to help you grow your financial wealth. So Casey, glad to be talking to you.

Casey Stubbs 0:44 Thanks, Robert. It's great to be here. Thank you so much. You're

Robert Plank 0:47 very welcome. So we heard a little bit about what your company's doing. And so having heard that, I mean, what's your focus in the last month or two? What has you excited jazzed up about making money these days?

Casey Stubbs 1:00 Well, I really enjoy my podcast because we talk about the tips, tricks and strategies to help people increase their cash flow, and it's kind of hard to pinpoint just one area, so we could maybe hit a couple of them, but it's so cool for me to be able to talk to people all the time on ways to increase your revenue, because I I'm learning new things literally every week, and it's just fantastic.

Robert Plank 1:29 So out of those new things that you're learning every week, is there something really recent and hot these days that really has your attention?

Casey Stubbs 1:37 Well, I haven't really seen anything super hot. I There's a lot of different areas that can really that we can dial in on. And one of the areas that I think could be of great interest for people is learning how to get involved in the cryptocurrency space. And I'm taking some training there and really trying to develop a strategy to help me get some cash flow from a crypto investing, which I think is pretty exciting right now. Yeah,

Robert Plank 2:07 pretty exciting. And also a little scary, right? Because it seems to be moving super fast. It looked like there was that period of time when it might not even be legal, but it seems like it's legitimized a lot of kind of like Wall Street funds have have latched on. A lot of governments have said, this is okay. We're going to allow this. And what comes to mind is, like Japan and China have really embraced that sort of stuff. So, but people might have been, have been hearing about this term cryptocurrency. So Can you unpack that a little bit and just make sure that we're all on the same page. When we hear cryptocurrency, we all understand that it means the same thing.

Casey Stubbs 2:47 Yeah, so it's a digital only currency, like, you know, we look at our our dollars, where we actually have it in our hand, whereas cryptocurrency is literally digital only. There's no way to actually get a hold of it. It's created in on the internet, through computers. So it's, it's only available in the World Wide Web, versus an actual currency that we can hold and feel,

Robert Plank 3:16 okay, great. And that's, it's sort of a spooky thing to think about, right? Because you think, well, it's just digital money. It's just made up money. But then you think, how is it any different than actual US dollars, right? Where they print money or they put what you know, when you have money in a bank account, it's not actually physical money there. It's just numbers on a in a database there. And then sometimes you hear things about how sometimes these digital currencies maybe get manipulated by bots, or how there's a lot of volatility there, as far as changing the money between this digital money. And then actual, you know, things like dollars or euros. And then you sometimes hear about how it's kind of like the Wild West, sometimes and unregulated. And people do like the these ICOs, but they're not really backed by anything financial. So I mean, have you heard of these sort of stuff for years? And do you have any response to all this?

Casey Stubbs 4:16 Yeah, as a matter of fact, I do, and that would the reason that we had that big run up in January. It was really exciting. Everybody was was on board with it. Bitcoin hit 20,000 and now it's like, I haven't looked at it in the last couple days, but I know it was in the 6000 range. The reason that it that the bubble really popped was because of the whole regulation thing, and there were people speaking out against it. They're saying that it's not regulated. You can't trust it. There. The governments were kind of turning against it. But what's happened since then is that, like you mentioned, there's regulations happening and and these crypto currencies are getting in line with the reg. Regulations they're following through communicating with the government. And so the new ICOs that are coming out, that's one of the things that that they're doing, is they're getting regulated beforehand. And so as an investor, of doing research on new new cryptocurrencies that are coming out, that's one thing you want to do your research on to see if they've followed through and did all of the regulation stuff that they're supposed to do. Because if they don't, you definitely don't want to get involved in that.

Robert Plank 5:33 Okay, great. And so then, so with all of these different like news items coming your way, what's your strategy? Do you still look at Bitcoin at all, or do you think that the time has passed for that? Are you focused on some of these new currencies coming out? What's your thought process there?

Casey Stubbs 5:50 So I think that Bitcoin, which is the original currency, I really think that's probably, at this point, still the strongest for a couple reasons. One is because it's the brand of cryptocurrency. I was talking to my my friend John, who is a really strong crypto expert, and he mentioned this to me, and I really agreed with him. And it's the brand. So if you walk into a room and you're talking to people at a party or something, and you say, crypto, a lot of them will say, Well, what's that you know? And then you'll say, well, Bitcoin. Then they'll know what Bitcoin is, right? Because it's kind of like the first one. It's the one that everybody knows about. It has the recognition. That's what people are really looking at. So that's the first reason. And the other reason is because of just the limitation on it. There's a limited number of Bitcoin, which gives it scarcity, and because of that scarcity, that creates value, because there's only so much that people can have, and when, if it gets hot again, then with banks start getting it, and governments start getting involved, and it gets hot again, then people are going to start to scramble to grab it, and because of the scarcity, it could drive the price up again. So I am focused mainly right now on trying to accumulate Bitcoin.

Robert Plank 7:16 Okay, great. So is that? I mean, so it sounds like that's sort of, at least with the Bitcoin side of things, is that that your strategy is that you're looking to accumulate as many Bitcoin for as lower price as possible, and you're not necessarily looking at the price week to week, and if it it drops, you're not going to bail out of it. You're just looking to get that built up. Is that right? Well,

Casey Stubbs 7:39 that's, that's exactly right. I think that at the price that it's at, it's a pretty good deal. And so if it, if it stays where it's at, I just continue to add some more. If it drops, I'm going to continue to add some more, because I look at it as, like, a discount, right? Like it's on sale. If we get another run up on it, it could surpass the the $20,000 level. As a matter of fact, a famous, a famous investor, just made an announcement, I think his name was Tim Draper, said that he thought it could go up to $250,000 and so, you know, if it makes another move, right now, it's on sale, so the lower gets, the more we can buy with our with our investment. So you really it's like getting a discount on it if you can buy some.

Robert Plank 8:30 Well, great. And so what is your end game with this, if bitcoin, if it goes up to pass a certain price, do you plan on selling and all or some of that. And I asked, because I think, I think we've all played the Woulda, Shoulda coulda game with Bitcoin, right? We've all seen it at, I mean, I remember I had a friend who told me about it in 2010 or 2011 once, and that was when it was just a few pennies. And I thought, Oh, what a fun little experiment. And then I heard about it again when it did that first run up in maybe 2012, to $1,000 and I thought, Geez, that's way. That's like, it's never going to be more than 1000 and then I was just waiting for it to drop down to 100 and then, as you know, it went, it went above 10,000 and so, I mean, it's one thing to say, Okay, well, I'll, I'll be patient, and I'll, you know, cost average down things, and I'll keep adding all these Bitcoins to my collection. But at what point do you get out of it? Or

Casey Stubbs 9:30 that's the question. I mean, if you never get out of it, then it's never going to really do you any good, right, right? So you have to get out at some point. Yeah. What I would probably recommend is you never can pick a top, and you can really never pick a bottom. I mean, you really don't know what's going to happen if you are investing and it makes a nice move and you get a nice return, and you want to take some money out then. Then I think that it's got to be what the individual is looking to do, whatever. Good for them and just not get upset about it. You know, if you get out $1,000 like and you made 100% profit, we'll be happy with 100% profit. That's a great investment. It's really good. Now, yeah, went up to 20,000 you said, I could have done this, but really it could have dropped. And, I mean, you just don't ever know what's going to happen. So whenever you get a profit in your hand, just be thankful for that, and then just come up with a new strategy on where the next investments coming from.

Robert Plank 10:30 Great mindset. So just just take the win. And so how can someone judge if they're a good fit for this cryptocurrency trading, and Bitcoin and the other all altcoins. Do you think that someone needs to be in it for the long game? Do you think that they need to stay on the news cycles and be well informed? Do you think that they need at least some kind of a technical background like, how would someone say, Well, this cryptocurrency investing or trading is good for me versus if it isn't,

Casey Stubbs 11:03 I think everyone should do research and whatever it is they're investing in. I know that we all have limited amount of time, and it would be nice if we could just throw money into something without having to do work, and we all talk about passive revenue and and all of those wonderful things. But even if you're investing in a stock market and you're getting collecting dividends, and that's passive. Where you're investing in real estate, and it's passive, you still have to be actively involved with those investments, and there's really no way around that. There's less work involved, and the money is working for itself, but you still have to do research. So if you're going to get involved with cryptocurrency investing, you need to stay connected with people that know what they're doing. You need to listen to podcasts. You need to read articles, talk to some other smart people, get yourself with the right group of people so you're getting the right information, so that you can stay on top of things. Great.

Robert Plank 11:59 So what I'm hearing from you is so number one, do lots of reading, read the articles. Number two, be subscribed to different podcasts, like how you have your cash flow hacking podcast, so that way you get the new ideas and new topics and sub topics that you normally wouldn't necessarily go and proactively find yourself. And then also, number three, be involved in some sort of community, whether that's a paid mastermind or a Facebook group or just like or just something. So that way, it's not just you in it by yourself.

Casey Stubbs 12:33 Exactly. I think being involved with people, you get so many different perspectives. And I think that's a good thing. If I come out and tell you that this is all wonderful and you should do it, that's my opinion, but you really need to get other opinions and talk to other people so you can get multiple viewpoints, and then you analyze that, and then try to make educated decisions based on the multiple perspectives. If you're just listening to one source, you're really missing the boat. I think,

Robert Plank 13:03 yeah, I agree, too. Makes perfect logical sense, that you need to have all those different angles, so that way you can make sense of it. You're not just hearing it from from one place. So great. So, so there's crypto current. So I mean, what I'm what I'm hearing so far, is that there are all kinds of possibilities and opportunities available to us, and cryptocurrency is just one of many. So what other things are on your mind these days, as far as building wealth, building cash flow, not necessarily related to cryptocurrency, what other stuff's out there these days,

Casey Stubbs 13:37 I think, just a really solid strategy for for getting really wealthy, is to continually invest in things that make money for you, and so I have been pretty good at doing that since I launched my business 10 years ago. I am always looking for something, and it all started a long, long time ago when I read the book The Richest Man in Babylon, and it talked about, just spend only 90% of what you make if you're starting out and you're not making a lot of money, but just make sure that you're only spending 90% of that and take 10% and put it into something that will make money, and then when you do that, then whatever you make on it, you roll that right back over, and you just keep the process going over and over and over again, so that you can continue to build this massive snowball of wealth. And that's really how the wealthy people do it, is they have multiple investments, and they're always just reinvesting and purchasing more things that generate revenue for them.

Robert Plank 14:48 I love it. I mean, it's so simple. Like you said, it's from that super old book, the Richard Man in Babylon. But it doesn't have to be super crazy and complicated, right? I mean, you look at if people who. Are always struggling with money and like I think, I think we all either know someone like that, or have known someone like that, someone who it doesn't matter how much money they make or how good of a job they have, there are some people out there where they seem to be spending everything that comes in, if not more, and they just seem to be getting deeper and deeper. But that principle there, I mean, it's, so simple, but I think it's so important for everyone to listen to to only spend 90% of your money. That way you are living below your means, that way you can get your money working for you while you're asleep, while you sleep, and grow over time, because you only have so many hours in a day, and if you're just if everything that comes in goes right back out. I mean, that doesn't seem like a very, a very safe, long term way to live, right? You never know what could happen. You might die, and then what's your family going to do? Or if you work a nine to five, you might lose that job, and then what? Or you might get hurt. A million things could happen. So that that makes sense to put some money away and then have it multiply for you. So if someone says, Okay, well, that part makes sense, right? Every, every time money comes in, put a little bit aside. But then, if someone's trying to figure out, well, where should this money go? What? What do you tell them? Like, does it is? It is a factor of, like, how, how young they are. Maybe if they're younger, they're more open to risk or how much they've saved or what their personality is, if they're more inclined to real estate or stock trading, how does someone begin to make to narrow down all these choices that are in front of us?

Casey Stubbs 16:36 So I'll tell you exactly what I tell people, because they do ask me that, and what I tell people is, I gave you the same similar advice earlier, when I said you got to educate yourself when you're investing in crypto. I with this, I would say, start with stuff that you already know about, that stuff that you're already interested in. So just pick something that seems kind of interesting to you, and then learn that, like my very first thing that I got started in was a website, building and making money on the web, right? So that was my very first one, and it was interesting to me because I was a computer nerd, and I just started building websites, and I started learning about marketing, and I invested my revenue in online web businesses, and so that was interesting to me, and I had some knowledge on it. And then once I started to expand into other areas, it was always stuff that I liked, things that I think is really cool. I mean, I happen to think making money is cool. So all of those things are are are really easy for me to learn about, but you know, if it's something that piques your interest to that you're not going to feel bad about learning and that you have a little bit of a foundation there so that you enjoy your your your investing.

Robert Plank 17:59 I love it. That makes perfect sense, that you should go for that low hanging fruit, that path of least resistance. If you already know, say, How to Make a Website, then then look into growing web businesses. If you already know real estate somewhat, then go into that area. That way. You've already have a little bit of that knowledge built up, and you don't have to completely start from scratch. And so, I mean, make, makes perfect sense, right? Therapy. And also, because if you figure you're sort of, I mean, I don't know, not sure if stuck is the right term, but you're sort of stuck for these next few years in whatever path that that you choose, right? Because there's that period of time when you have to get up to speed, and then, you know, you shift gears after a while, and you have to kind of debug the system a little bit there. So, I mean, why? Why choose some kind of topic with all the ways that there are making money? Why choose something that you hate when you're going to want to be on in, on the news and jump up and be excited to jump out of bed in the morning and to read these latest, these latest news items. And so do you have any thoughts on why? I mean, it seems like some people really do really well with any kind of wealth building that they're up to, and other people just seem to have all the bad luck. And I'm talking about, like, sometimes you hear about people who they'll build some kind of like, like, a website business or a coaching business, and then they'll sell it at just the right time, and then they'll buy a struggling Amazon e commerce company, and they'll build it up, and they'll sell it at just the right time. And, I mean, do you think that there's something that those people have that we don't, is it just these kind of foundational principles you're talking about, like they're they're just always learning, and they're always considering their options and not letting their emotions take over. I mean, what do you think? What do you think they have that 99% of the population doesn't?

Casey Stubbs 19:51 Well, I think you're probably right. Is that they always like learning, and they're always they maybe can see things that other people can't see. Me, I know earlier you mentioned about people struggling and living paycheck to paycheck, and I remember when I when I first got out of high school, I joined the Army, and I was in the army, and so you're living with all of these guys all the time, and you're, you're, you're doing everything with them. But the thing is, we all started at the same rank, and we all started making the exact same money. And it was just interesting to me that just about everybody that I was living with never had any money at all, and yet I always did right, and it was because we made the exact same paycheck, right? And then we I'd hang out with them, and I noticed that they were buying all the new DVDs. They were buying all the new CDs, they were buying TVs, they were buying everything else. And I was taking my money and I was putting it in the bank, and I was looking at starting to get investing, starting to do these other things. So that tell told me that they had a short term mindset. They were looking at what they could have today instead of what they could have tomorrow. So whenever I'm looking at investing, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm going to take this money and I'm going to invest it, because it's going to it's going to sow a fruit. I'm going to reap a harvest later on, I don't need that TV right now, because later on, when I get the harvest, I can take a piece of that harvest and then buy the TV, right? But the people that are short sighted are just thinking about what they can get right now, and they're basically eating their own seed rather than investing it.

Robert Plank 21:30 So how does someone retrain their brain from, you know, only seeing two feet in front of them and spending everything immediately to being more responsible with their money? Is it like a long term process? Does it help to have a mentor to show them the way? How does someone begin to retrain their brain in this way?

Casey Stubbs 21:49 Well, I think who you're with is really important. You talk about mentors. I've had a lot of really good people in my life that that have helped me with that kind of thing, and I don't really know exactly why. I've always been kind of keen to that, to saving and investing and trying to create revenue. That's just something that that hit me really young. So your first question was, well, how does somebody get that? I don't really know how I got it. It just has always been there, right? So it's just, it's just who I am. But if you if, if it's not there, and you're with people that are all just like you, and they're all spending their money and they're all broke and they're all not saving, then you're not going to see what it's like to live differently. So I would say, get out there. Meet different people, get connected to different groups, and get some exposure to to different circles.

Robert Plank 22:48 I love it. Great advice, because you hear what's the at that the Jim Rohn thing, right? You're the money you make is the average of your five closest friends, and so it might be if you're hanging around those same friends from high school, or from college or from your first job, that's fine, but if they're all broke and unhappy, then guess what? They will drag you down into the broke an unhappy level. And so you're saying, to just find some new social circles, join some new Facebook groups, find some new clubs in town, just maybe talk to and become friends with people that you normally wouldn't associate with, because that way, if you keep hanging around the same friends, you're gonna have the same results if you want different results, hanging around new people, right? Yeah,

Casey Stubbs 23:31 and I'll just interject here, like I've got a lot of rich friends, right, and that's happened over time, but I got a lot of rich friends, and it's cool having rich friends, because they're always coming up with with deals and opportunities. And they're like, Hey, man, you got to get in on this deal. I'm like, Oh, really, yeah, cool. And then we just talk, and next thing you know, something happens, right? And so it's really important that you get people that are pursuing creating revenue just like you.

Robert Plank 24:00 And that's an interesting insight that you mentioned there, that you you don't necessarily just jump up to the rich people. You might work your way up, or you might have friends that come and go, or you might be friends some other up and comer. So it's not just a suddenly jump to the top sort of thing. It's a long process. But it sounds like if we have a good mindset, if we have good strategy, if we're open to new ideas and new experiences, then that will set us on that that path, and it might involve some ups and downs. Might be a windy road, but if we get, if we get on down that path to to being better with our money and smarter about things and maybe a little more responsible. I mean, you can't lose eventually, right?

Casey Stubbs 24:45 Yeah. And one thing I've found, too, is business is really all about relationships and having friends, and so I it's just developing friendships that you do business with. And I think that's the greatest thing about business, it makes it a. Great job, because you get to have friends and make money too at the same time. So it's a really win win situation.

Robert Plank 25:06 Yeah. I mean, it's like, why we're talking on a podcast right now, right? I mean, you said that you used to build up websites. I'm kind of a computer programmer sort of guy myself, and it's really tempting and easy and safe and comfortable to just hide behind the computer screen and code some web pages, but you're only going to get so far on your own. At some point, you need to get out there and network and make these new connections. And so anytime that I'm feeling shy or hesitant or thinking, oh, you know, what is this? How important is this podcasting stuff? It's super important because, I mean, if you just trap yourself in a box there, then you're going to be stuck with all that same thinking, and that's no fun. But what is fun for people out there is to be open and listen and read about new ideas. And I understand that you have this podcast and you have this website where you keep up to date on all the latest stuff, not just cryptocurrency, but I think I saw something about cannabis stocks. When I looked at your website earlier, I saw about options investing, day trading, so not just cryptocurrency, but all these other ways of making money. So can you tell us about what you have for people today, about your your podcast, your websites, just what people should be checking out. Okay,

Casey Stubbs 26:23 so, Robert, I'm totally into my podcast. I love it, and I'm sure you're into your podcast too, because it's so much fun. But yeah, we it's called the cash flow hacking podcast, and it's on finance and markets.com the finance and markets.com is a news a financial news site, but I have a lot of of the site featured for the podcast. So if you go there, you can find the podcast, or if you just search cash flow hacking podcast, you'll get taken to the podcast. But the thing that I really like about it, why I would recommend people, is I'm not just talking about investing. It's not just about stocks or crypto or options. But I also cover stuff like affiliate marketing, business and entrepreneurship, anything even stuff like like saving money on groceries is on there, and how to get out of debt, anything that's related to your cash flow and increasing your cash flow. And I love it, because I'm not really giving out great advice myself, but I'm just talking to really smart people that help me out. It's probably more beneficial to me than to my listeners. Just because I learning so much, I

Robert Plank 27:33 can definitely relate to that too. Sometimes knowing, I mean, we can't know everything, right? We can't be the jack of all trades, and so sometimes we know a little bit about some subject, and then we have some guests on and then we get to ask all those juicy questions that we always wish that we could ask. And you might have have had to read a bunch of articles to do a bunch of Google searches or post all over all these message boards. And then who knows who you're getting the answers from, and you might be getting 20 different answers from 20 different people, but you have a real expert on and everybody wins, right? Because that expert gets to take this complex subject and make it simple, and then they have fun. And then you have fun because you're deepening your knowledge. And then that that audience has fun because, like we've been talking about, they get exposed to new ideas, or if they've heard about just some quick hacks they can use to get out of debt or to pay things down. Then, then they they they win. And so, so, yeah, I mean, that sounds like a a great business model. And it just sounds like a lot of your mindset here is just, is being just naturally curious and naturally finding a way to have fun. Because, let's face it, on the on the surface, some of this money stuff isn't all that that fun, right? When you're talking about like budgets or Amortization or coupons, that can be kind of a boring subject, but there are all kinds of fun ways that we can dress it up and make it fun, right? Like you talk about, or you see some of these people who do, like the the churning, or the manufactured spending, for example, or the playing around with the airline miles. It's like, if you have that, like you're playing the video game mindset. It seems like that's a fun way of a fun like mind trick to playing yourself, to making something that might have been boring when we were a kid hearing our grown ups talk about mortgages and interest rates, but now there's a way to make it fun, right?

Casey Stubbs 29:30 Yeah, absolutely. And it can be like a game if you're talking about a mortgage, you know, how can you pay it down quick? What kind of techniques can you do if you're doing bi monthly payments or, you know, that's, would be a great topic on my show. I haven't done that one yet. Maybe I'll reach out to an expert, but it's fun trying to find different ways. There's so many different ways you can do it, and it can be like a game,

Robert Plank 29:52 yeah, so many ways that you can do it, but only so much time in the day. And it would just be a real shame, a real way. Of people out there just sat around and this we're dreaming all day long, right? Like it's fine to research and read things, but a lot of people out there, I'm sure, keep thinking of themselves. If only I, you know, save this much money, or if only I could take action, make a decision. So do you have any advice out there for people out there who like, they're always dreaming about jumping on some opportunity or investing. I mean, what would you say to someone to really get their button gear and make sure that they make the best use of the life they have?

Casey Stubbs 30:31 Okay, so, Robert, when you asked me that question, this guy's face popped into my head, and it's a friend of mine, a friend of mine who's always jumping from thing to thing, and he never follows through with anything. And it just, it kind of really breaks my heart, because he's always got all these dreams, but he never actually does it. So if anyone is in that situation that's listening, don't be that guy you know. So find one thing, the key is execute in anything that you're doing, ideas and plans are all wonderful. They're all fine and good, but they don't mean anything. What really means something is execution. So whatever it is, you find one thing, you take action, and you actually complete and finish what you start. And when you do that, then you go to the next thing, and the execution is, what will help you generate your cash flow.

Robert Plank 31:28 I love it. Great advice. So don't just, don't just be dabbling. Don't just be studying. Follow through. Figure out what that one thing is, execute. Complete it. Because if you have 10 different side projects, and they're all half done. What does that get you? A bunch of nothing, right? If you've been reading off about 20 different methods of making money that you haven't even pursued, one that doesn't really help anyone. So the thing that everyone should do right now in order to follow through and do the one thing is go to finance and markets.com and so once they're there. Casey, what should they be doing? Is there an easy way for them to get on your list, subscribe to the podcast? Is there some sort of freebie they should check out? What should they do when they get to finance and markets.com Well,

Casey Stubbs 32:12 they should just click on the cash flow hacking podcast link on the main page, and it'll take you to all the episodes. Pick one they like, listen to it, and then if they're if they like that, then they can just click the subscribe button on the post, and they can subscribe on their favorite way to listen, whether it's on iTunes or Google Play or any there. I mean, there's four different methods that we have to subscribe to.

Robert Plank 32:35 Super great. So something that I mean two things to think about as we're winding down our conversation today is you out there in podcast land. First of all, you're listening to a podcast. And so my first thought here is that I highly doubt that you only have one podcast on your podcast player. I know that I listen to all kinds of a variety of podcasts, so you should always be looking for new podcasts to listen to. So that's the first thing, is that you're not just listening to one podcast. And thought number two is that you've made it this far in the episode, you must be at least somewhat curious about building wealth, about having your money work for you. And if you're not, then, I mean, aren't you a human being, like we should all be looking, at least to be making a little bit more money than we're making right now, at least a little bit faster, because we'll have a better quality of life. We'll have less things to worry about. We'll have more possibilities, opportunities in front of you. No one's saying you need to be Warren Buffet or Donald Trump, but let's say you built up a nice nest egg so that way you didn't have to worry about money. Or you could pursue that, that dream of being an artist or writing a book or something, or you could donate to your favorite charity. More money is always better, and you're listening to this episode about getting more money, and it's a podcast, so it makes logical sense that you can and should go to finance and markets.com and just find an episode there that piques your interest after you click on the cash flow hacking podcast. So finance and markets.com click on cash flow hacking podcast and go through and just see what sounds good to you. Click if you like what you hear, then subscribe, because you're already on your podcast listening journey right now. Why not go deep about some of this wealth, building, making money stuff, and then find your your sub niche that that gets you excited. Figure out if you want to play around with trading stocks or real estate or cryptocurrency or building up a business, there are a million ways to make money, and you need to be listening and up to date on what's happening right now. So finance and markets.com go to that cash flow hacking podcast, subscribe and we'll see you there. Thanks so much Casey for stopping by and for telling us what we need to know about just making these good decisions, following through, having a good money mindset. I think we all picked up some good stuff here, so I appreciate it. Thanks

Casey Stubbs 34:51 for having me, Robert, it's been really fun.

Robert Plank 34:57 Thanks for listening to today's program. Start from the. Beginning or view past episodes at marketer of the day.com/episodes.