Just to give you an update on the Clickbank situation, I’ve decided to stay with them.
Apparently, they WILL approve list building related products on a case-by-case basis (as a commenter to the last post mentioned), which was good to hear considering The Rich Jerk, Butterfly Marketing Reports, ListMail Pro, etc. were all approved.
Heck, one of the resale rights buyers to WordPress on Crack already has my exact product and same exact sales letter already listed on Clickbank.
Here’s how to get your list building related product approved on Clickbank:
1. Make sure the product ONLY mentions responsible, double opt-in, CAN-SPAM compliant list building tactics. I would definitely stay away from gray areas like buying and selling leads, tell-a-friend scripts, and co-registration.
2. Explain to Clickbank that the product does go into list building, but only for double opt-in CAN-SPAM compliant purposes. You can do this in the “extra notes” section.
That’s all there is to it.
Now like I said… I’m staying with Clickbank. I will still use PayPal for my non-affiliate sales (95% of my income) because my refund rate with PayPal is about 1% and my refund rate with Clickbank is 7.5%.
Dean’s comment in the previous post said it best…
After reading the many thoughful posts it does seem that straddling CB and PDC makes the most sense.
Use ’em both but steer the big money to PDC. Use CB to attract new affiliates.
Mike Filsaime made a GREAT point that his service gets 1,000 new signups per day and he is now BEATING Clickbank.com in his Alexa ranking.
Why Don’t I Roll All My PayPal Buttons Over to PayDotCom?
Two reasons… one, PayDotCom adds an extra page people have to click through. They click your order button, then are sent to PayDotCom, then have to click on ANOTHER button to pay through PayPal. Clickbank also has a 2-step order page and that’s always going to hurt conversion rates no matter what.
The next reason: Someone pointed out that when someone buys from you using PayDotCom, they get added to Mike Filsaime’s list corrected: that information is stored on Mike’s server somewhere.
A comment from the previous post:
My wariness about using PDC is that mike filasmie, who is technically the competition of many of us, would become our provider of services…
enabling him to:
know what product sell best
how many we sell
the NAMES and EMAILS of all customers…
Robert, is that a reason that would keep you away? clickbank, or other paykment processors, are not a competitor to you in the way PDCs owners are…
(I’m not accusing mike filsaime of using others information, just noting that the fact he COULD makes me uncomfortable.)
Your List is Your Baby… I don’t want to send all my buyers onto his mailing list so he can outsell me.
I will put some products on PayDotCom eventually, but I want to get everything on Clickbank first. At the moment, only 40 of my products are available on Clickbank.
The moral of the story: get yourself setup with the simplest checkout process possible (I like PayPal) then use “other” processors like Clickbank and PayDotCom to increase sales… use those services as funnels instead of your primary payment processors.
I’ll say that again…
Use Clickbank and PayDotCom to Attract Affiliates.
Don’t Depend on Them For Survival.
I have a script called Clickbank Switch that will show one button if Clickbank affiliates come your way, and another if non-affiliates stop by, but you don’t even need a script for that.
You can setup separate pages like http://www.example.com/paydotcom and http://www.example.com/clickbank then put a PayDotCom button on your “paydotcom” page, and send the PayDotCom traffic that way.
When you join PayDotCom you can get your product listed on Filsaime’s marketing product review site, make your link go viral using Butterfly Reports, and get listed on PayDotCom’s marketplace.
I have been with Clickbank since 2000 and it makes more sense to stick with what works and makes money, than to tear everything down and STOP making money, just to spend more time building it back up.
Keep it simple!
For you skimmers out there, here is what Clickbank will and won’t approve when it comes to those list building grey areas.
- What if I were to explain co-registation, would that get approved? No.
- Would a product that mentions buying double opt-in leads get approved? No.
- Would a product that talks about tell-a-friend get approved? No.
- Would a product that talks about selling e-mail leads get approved? No.
- Can I mention double opt-in? Yes!
- Can I mention single opt-in? Yes!
There you have it. The easy way to get a list building product approved on Clickbank: explain your product only deals with CAN-SPAM compliant e-mail marketing practices. Here’s the verbage I used:
This product mentions RESPONSIBLE list building, email marketing through double-opt-in email lists and CAN-SPAM compliant methods.
Was I right in choosing to stay with PayPal and Clickbank? (And in the future, PayDotCom?) Please comment below and tell me if I’m a total idiot or a freaking genius.