142: Creativity is Your Biggest Resource: Get Published, Find Your Flow State, and Prevent Burnout with Spiritual Business Life Coach Tracee Sioux

Robert Plank 0:00 Robert Plank Show episode 142, creativity is your biggest resource. Get published. Find your flow state and prevent burnout with spiritual business life coach, Tracy Su, Hey everyone, and welcome back to the Robert Plank show today, we have Tracy su now. Tracy's work has been featured in The New York Times Magazine, forbes.com, today.com, and many online and regional publications. She won the Utah State Newspaper Association best photograph Award and the Utah State School Board Association Award for exceptional journalism. And she's a featured essayist on pundit moms, mothers of intention, how women and social media are revolutionizing politics in America. Lots of fun stuff. How are things today? Tracy,

Tracee Sioux 0:49 they're fantastic. How

Robert Plank 0:51 are you I am better than ever. So I mean, what are we talking about today? What is it that you do? What are you good at? What makes you stand out? All that good stuff.

Tracee Sioux 0:59 Okay, well, I'm a spiritual business and life coach and an author. And I own a publishing company called Sue Inc, sole purpose publishing, so I help other authors publish their work that is that feels like their soul calling. So that's pretty fun. I love it. What am I good at? Words. I love words, I love design, I love art, so I really just get to play all day. It's pretty awesome.

Robert Plank 1:27 I mean, that's what we're all looking for, right? The the dream, the dream job that's not a job. Yeah?

Tracee Sioux 1:32 Well, I believe you have to create your own dream job that's not a job. I help a lot of people do that through my business and and life coaching. So, yeah, I don't know that this ever was a profession, but it is now, because I made it. I

Robert Plank 1:47 mean, cool, yeah. I mean, even if it did exist, I mean, why go the same path as everyone else? Why do the same all boring stuff? You got to be your own person. So, so you see, you help people, kind of, I guess, like find, find that the book that's within them, or whatever. So could you, like, kind of walk us through a case study of someone like that, someone who maybe they just needed some help, and you helped them out. Yeah. So

Tracee Sioux 2:11 I have a pretty full service operation, like from concept to finish, in terms of basically making a person, a personality or an expert in their field. So let's I have one client I've been working with for about four or five this is going to be the fifth year when we started, she had a dream. She wanted to be a healer. She was a massage therapist. She wanted to have digital products. She wanted to make a name for herself in the industry and make money doing what she was gifted with, which is energy healing. So the first thing, the first step we did, was create a online platform. So website, social media, newsletter, get the branding together, make sure that all of her marketing materials were had had all of her right information on it. So that was the first year we established a platform, and then we began creating content, right? So we did a project over this year where she created basically two major content, one books and CDs and that sort of thing. So audio books on Amazon, ebooks on Amazon, print books, workbooks, teaching program that we created this year, and we're going to launch in by Thanksgiving, we're going to launch her book and CD meditation set, and then next year, it's going to be publicity, publicity, publicity publicity. So it's gone through the whole entire process of, you know, getting a hold of her dream. What does she really want to do? What does she want that to look like? And that's from a soul deep level. I often find that people think they know what they want. But if you get deeper, it's something else that they're afraid to do. And so we work to get what is that? What do you want it to say? What do you want it to look like? Who are you? Is this going to make you happy? Is this going to make you money? Let's put a business model around it so that you can make money at it. So we start from there, and then, you know, we begin to build a platform so that people will begin to know who they are, social media, blogging website, and then we begin to create a significant amount of content that's good enough to be made into a book or a product, an audio product or a video product that they can sell online at speaking engagements, which leads to, of course, more speaking engagements, more radio shows, more media, right, more press. Because now you've got this book that you can say, hey, I'm an expert in my field. I've written this book, or I have this whole, you know, program or class, and then you sell stuff at the back of the room, you sell it online, and you begin to really grow your tribe that. Way. So my company does all of those things, and along the way, there's a lot of spiritual business and life coaching. So what I work on with people a lot, especially, oh my gosh, entrepreneurs are so bad at this, is not being a workaholic, not letting your business eat your life, making sure that you do have enough time to be this hyper productive, because it's a lot of work, but it doesn't have to take all your time and energy. There are ways to manage things and make priorities for yourself that matter. So you'll notice I didn't say and in one year, we created the whole entire website, all the branding, all the content and the book, because that would just, you know, overwhelm any person and make them crazy and set them up for failure. So we took it one step at a time so that it could be reasonably accomplished, very good quality and still fairly quickly.

Robert Plank 5:50 Dank, so when you were saying that you started to finish, you weren't kidding. There's, I'm not kidding. So there's like the so it sounds like there's almost like three, three or four parts to it, right? Like there's like, there's like, the book part, and then that leads to the speaking part. And then even, like, a little bit before that, there's the, there's like, the the getting the getting deep down into their what they really want to say part, and then there's all the, all the content in between, I guess,

Tracee Sioux 6:16 yeah, and the platform building is really important too. You know, like when people say, What should I spend my money on? You should spend it on your website, dude. You should spend it on looking like an expert, looking like a professional. And if you're gonna just slap up a Wix page, you know, people visit those pages and check out whether you're credible. So, yeah, you should spend money on design and marketing and branding, and then, you know, it pays off in the end, if you really do, you know my plan, if you really, if you really follow through, Miracle things can happen. So

Robert Plank 6:53 I mean, kind of along those lines, as far as, like, the building of the platform and and making the content and stuff like that. Like, one thing that I'm kind of curious about is, like, when every I don't know, it's one of those things where, like, if I like, write, you know, all these blog posts, or I write, like, a book myself, and stuff like that, it's like, it's almost like it's, it takes so much time I'm worried that I won't finish. And then, as opposed to anytime I've tried to do a shortcut, like, if I've tried to, like, throw money at the problem and have someone else write the book like me. It doesn't sound like me if I and you're already laughing, but like, if I get it transcribed, then I have a lot of cleanup to do. So I mean, what are your thoughts on all that stuff? Well,

Tracee Sioux 7:34 so blogs, I think, are different than a book, right? Unless you're making a blog compilation book, so if you're reusing content, that's great, and it can come in a different format. What I tend to do is, oh, gosh, that's a big question. So you want to give yourself deadlines and you want to give yourself enough time, right? So for instance, this client that I recently told you about she did sections of 11, like it was like an 11 day meditation with chunks over the year. So for 12 months, that's what she did. Well, by the end of the year, we have 132 of those, right? So that's a lot of content that is enough for a book, like a journal workbook, meditation thing, and then she's going to read those aloud and create an audio book, right? So there's going to be several products brought up from that. She's going to get a book, she's going to get an audio book, and then we're going to get, like, an email class that goes annually and delivers automatically through email, right? So three ways to market that content. Now, she didn't sit down and write a book because she's just not the type of person who really could do that on a realistic it would just be too overwhelming to her. Often, when I'm going to write a book, I make a goal, like one chapter a day, right? Just write it one chapter a day. It doesn't matter how good it is, it doesn't matter how bad it is. Just get that one chapter a day on the page, and then further down the process, it's one chapter a day of editing, right? And then you have broken it down into pieces that allow you to, every day be like, Hey, I did good. I did my one chapter today, right? I edited it, or I proofread it, or I wrote it, and it's not like taking on this ginormous, intimidating, scary project, right? And then also, I strongly suggest that people hire professionals. If you are publishing a book, you need a professional editor and you need a professional designer. For one thing, Amazon won't publish work that sucks. They won't publish work with excessive Gramma errors. They won't publish work that has bad formatting, bad covers, like there's they're a legit retailer, which means they have a legitimate expectation for quality. Also, if your name is going on a book and you're the writer, you need another set of eyes to look at that. Give you suggestions. Give you. Creative feedback and fix, you know, whatever mistakes are in there. I mean, I've been writing as a professional for 20 years, but I have people edit my work before it goes out there,

Robert Plank 10:11 right? I mean, we all make mistakes, and it's almost like, if I'm looking at anything that I write, then I tend to skip over it, because I think, Oh, I've already seen this because I wrote it, but it's like, just having the other set of eyes helps so much. I think,

Tracee Sioux 10:24 oh, it's true. It's called refrigerator blindness, right? When you open the fridge and you're like, where is the ketchup? Where is the ketchup? Where is the ketchup? Where is the ketchup? And it's right in front of your face, yep, right? Yeah. And when you're writing, I don't care how good you are at writing, that's going to happen, right? You're going to see it. And so just even when I proofread for myself, even before I get it to an editor, I've gone through three rounds of proofreading, and then by the time I get it to or and what one of the steps that I do when I'm proofreading is I take a break for a couple of days. I'll proofread it, I'll take a break, then I'll come back to it and I see new stuff, right? And then if you put it in different form, that's why you want to proofread a proof, a print proof, of your book, because the second that it's on the page and it's not on a computer screen, you're seeing it totally differently, and you're going to pick out even more mistakes. So then by the time you get it to the third eyes, hopefully you've caught most of it, but you won't have caught all of it, and especially your third eyes are so important or third eye, second pair of eyes is so important when looking at content and flow and structure, right? So you may have a lot of really great ideas, but they're not put in a way that the reader can really grasp it. One of the things that I'm constantly getting on my clients with is they're experts in their field, right? They have an incredible bounty of knowledge, and they want to start where they're at. You can't do that if you're writing for an average reader, right? You can't do that like my energy worker client, you know, she has this vast knowledge, and she's just akin to deliver that fast knowledge. And what I've really worked on with her, especially in the last content that we created, is not everyone's at your level. In fact, almost no one is. So let's break it down to what I call kindergarten level, so that the beginning person in this can understand what you're talking about. I have another client, huge, spiritual, brilliant mind, and he's writing a memoir, spiritual scholarship piece, right? And same thing with him. I'm like, okay, I get what you're saying, because I've done a lot of study in this, and I understand the context, and I understand theology, because it's also one of my hobbies. But if you don't have that background, no one's going to understand what you're saying. So we have to break it down. And an editor, a publisher, they're excellent resources to help you do that, so that when someone picks up your book, they're not like, What? What? What is going on? What does that even mean? I don't understand that,

Robert Plank 12:56 right? And like isn't isn't that called like, the like curse of knowledge, or something like that, like, you know, so I think that's an actual term. Like, if you you know so much, it's like, you have to stretch yourself to make it fifth, like, five year old level, yeah,

Tracee Sioux 13:09 I mean, and it is a huge stretch for them, and that's one of the things that I can do to serve them well. So even in their marketing and their blogging, right? Like, if you're just surfing the web and you're interested in spirituality or energy work or whatever it is you're interested in, I have one client who's doing Airbnb investing right if you're just interested in it and you're not an expert in it. So basically, your target audience, if you're the expert, the idea is that you know more than they do. You can't give them the information that you know now. You have to give them the information that you learned before. And that's really hard for people. It really is. So one of my talents is to break that down for the average person. I have 20 years of journalism experience, and what they teach you to do in journalism is right at an eighth grade level, because that is the average reader's reading level, right? The average person walking around, that's their reading level. So the idea is to break complex ideas down into layman, approachable language, right, which is one of my gifts, and it comes in handy enormously, with everything, with content, with branding, with writing books, with publishing books, with making e courses, with the whole thing. Because if you are an expert in your field, and you publicly want to be an expert in your field, that's critical,

Robert Plank 14:32 okay? And even I mean kind of thinking about all that kind of stuff, like, when any kind of writings involved, like, I think a lot of people kind of kind of either get get burned out or stuck or frustrated. I mean, do you find yourself, even with with all the all these years of journalism experience, do you sometimes kind of get stuck with your in your writing mode?

Tracee Sioux 14:52 So I never have writer's block ever.

Robert Plank 14:56 Oh, wow, I've got it. I've got to hear the secret on this one man. Yeah.

Tracee Sioux 15:00 Well, the secret is that I've trained myself to get into flow, right? So flow is, it's a it's a state of being that you get into to where you're really just receiving information and letting your body serve as a conduit for it, right? So if you think of like these creative geniuses out in the universe, and they're like, ooh, we found it open portal. Let's give her all these awesome ideas. And if you train yourself to do that and journalism and oh my gosh, you can't even believe how many blogs I've written about carpet cleaning and tomato seeds and pipe fittings and newsletters like I have done this for a living for so long that I trained myself so that I can enjoy myself while I did all of that, you know, less than awesome work, to just get into flow and let it come through me, so that I could have a good time. And if you are a writer or a painter or a dancer, you know what that feeling is. Even if you're writing computer code, you know what the feeling is, because that's why you keep coming back to the work. That's why you love. It is because you're reaching this state of flow, right? So if you have writer's block, your job is not to like, make yourself like, Okay, now I'm gonna you know whatever push through. Your job is to learn how to get into flow instantly. And some of the ways that you can do that is right at the same time every single day, right? So then your body, your brain and the universe, is trained to deliver at the same time every day. This is just what we do. It's a habit. We don't write when we feel like it. We write at 9am after the kids go to school or whatever your plan is. I believe that the structure is the key to creativity, putting structure around your work, with deadlines, with goals, breaking that down to smaller pieces, and, you know, deciding, okay, I'm going to get into flow at this time every day. Now that said, I do take periods of time off, because if you are a creative person, and you are pumping energy out of you to such a degree that you're like, oh my gosh, I just wrote a book. I wrote a book in two days once, and I was so flipping high and vibrating so fast when I did that. After I did that, it was like this incredible spiritual hype, but it was also overwhelming, right? I had to bring myself down from that, back to planet earth, back to walking through the planet with the mortal humans. And you know, I had to go away for a little while and take a little vacation and regroup and get some grounding time, right? So, when you are an artist or a creator or an innovator, you have these bursts of energy, right? So I believe in burst working. I am a creative that's how I work. Most of the people I know who are creatives work that way. So I will sit down like this weekend, I put together two books, right from content that I had already created, and I sat down for the weekend and I did it, and I was like, awesome, great, right? But I can't do that every day, right? I can't write a book in two days every day. There has to be some space between those kinds of huge, ginormous energy expenditures, or else you will burn out. You know, we see, you know, artists all the time who burn out, and they, you know, try to ground themselves with drugs or alcohol, they go a little off the rails. They get a little bonkers Ville, and a lot of that is because they're not resting between their bursts of energy. And

Robert Plank 18:29 it sounds like what I'm hearing from all this is just like, like, you can't force it, right? And I mean, I'm glad you brought up the the computer programming thing, because I hadn't even made that connection. Like, I'm a computer programmer, and it's I get stuck the same ways, like the any kind of writing, like I'm writing a blog post, book, whatever. It's the same kind of getting stuck in, in the in the programming kind of thing. And it's like, I can, I can get, uh, jazzed up, and I can, you know, have those, those long sprints where I get those things done. But, I mean, you're right, like, if I try to sustain that every single day then, then it would just be this, this burnout that that I don't think I would even see coming, it would just kind of sneak up on me. And next thing you know, now, it's like all this extra work just to get back to that place that you could have gotten back to easier, more easily, if you just kind of had a little better system, right? Oh,

Tracee Sioux 19:19 absolutely. I mean, I have burned myself out. I released a book called The Year of yes in 2014 and man, for six months, I worked my tail off like you would not believe. And guess what happened six months after that? Like for the six months after that book came out, I was exhausted. I got leaky gut syndrome. I mean, I was a mess. I finally went away with my kids to Mexico for a month to try and recover. Burnout is a real thing. I mean, it is a biological response, because that energy is flowing through you, right? So if you're like in the zone, and you're like programming, and you don't take a break until you finally break, uh. Yeah, you're gonna pay for that later. But if you say, Okay, today I'm writing one chapter, or today I'm programming this piece, and then you're like, Okay, and now I'm gonna go, you know, hang out with my kids, or go ride my bike or take a kickboxing class. Right? If you create the rest, and you create the structure and the regrouping period in that, just take a freaking nap. Man, a nap will change everything. Like a nap is, you know, a huge cure for creativity block and getting stuck. So, yeah, I think it's really important that you Well, here's how I think about it. I think about my creativity as my biggest resource, right? It is the thing that I make my money on it's how I express myself. It's what I need for my sanity. So it is something I protect as the most valuable thing that I have, right and to protect that I need to not burn it out. I need to make sure that I'm taking care of my body. I need to make sure that I'm keeping to reasonable schedules. I need to make sure that I have a social life, that I have a relationship with my kids, right? Because if I don't have those things, if I'm not getting enough rest, if I'm eating like crap, if I'm just working all the time, I'm going to burn out, and then what have I lost? My most valuable resource, interesting.

Robert Plank 21:14 I hadn't thought about that. It's like treating, treating creativity like, like anything else, right? Like, normally we would think of it as some, like, abstract concept, but, I mean, you could think of creativity in the same way that you think of like, you know, your your blood sugar or your cholesterol or something like that, right? Or even your

Tracee Sioux 21:31 house, right? Like it's the most expensive thing that I own, and I don't go around trashing it because it's the most expensive thing that I own,

Robert Plank 21:39 right? And without that, everything else falls apart, yeah, without that,

Tracee Sioux 21:44 I got no place to live. And then what am I going to do? You know, or, you know, my phone and my Mac are huge resources, because that's how I make a living. And so I don't go tossing my computer across the floor. I make sure that, you know there, that it stays in good condition, and I handle it with care. So your creativity is the same thing, or even a child or a baby. You don't go throwing those things around because they're highly valuable to you, right? So if you think of your creativity as the way you make a living, the way you live your life, the way that feeds your soul, the thing that is so valuable that without it, you couldn't do those things. Yeah, you're going to want to protect that, you're going to want to take care of that. You're going to want to nurture that, right? So everything that you do that self care is going towards that is going to towards protecting and enhancing your creativity. So I consider getting a massage like a business practice, right? Because touch is critical, and meditation is critical, and what better way to do that than getting an awesome massage? Right? So I consider that time like work time. It's like, this is for my business, this is for my family, this is for my, you know, abundance to get this massage. Same with kickboxing. I get so many great ideas when I'm kickboxing, and it's great for my body, it's great for my brain, right? And it and I consider that like something like fundamentally critical that I do for my own success.

Robert Plank 23:11 So would you say that that with your the clients you help out, would you say that the I mean, is there like, one big thing that that stops the all these people, that holds them all back. I mean, and if there is, would you say, is it this burnout thing? Is it the lack of having a life? Is it lack of of structure? I mean, what would you say is holding back all these people that you're helping out?

Tracee Sioux 23:34 Okay, so there are three things, right? There are three lies that your ego will tell you to keep you where you're at, to keep you stuck. And my clients and everyone I've ever met has one or all, or some variation of these three. Time I don't have enough time, I'm too busy. I'll do that later. Someday, I'll write that. Someday, I'm going to do that money. I don't have enough money. We're the richest country in the entire world, in the history of the world, and I don't know a single person who's like, yeah, I've got enough money. It's like some kind of, like mental it's like a, you know, collective mental health problem that we all think that we're totally broke. And what I find with a lot of people, and this isn't true for everyone. Sometimes people just really don't have enough money. But for most people, they have money, but they're spending it wrongly, if this is their priority, right? So if you have money and you've got an iPad in a closet full of designer clothes, but you don't have enough money to write your book or hire a publisher or a coach? Well, it's not that you don't have enough money, it's that you're spending your money in a way that does not support what you try to do, right? So I don't have enough money, I don't have enough time, and the last one is, I'm not good enough who am I? I need another certification. Who's gonna read my book? No one cares what I have to say. Um, you know, my parents told me I'd amount to nothing, or my spouse doesn't think I'm good at this, right? So those are the three things I see over and over and over and over, right? And as we work together, that piece gets less and less strong, because they have more and more experience to prove that that's wrong. But boy, at the beginning, I gotta tell you. I mean, like I considered it a ginormous success when one of my clients went and visited her sick mother for 10 days, and the only way I could get her to do it is say, this is an entrepreneurial experiment. What happens if you remove yourself from your business and actually let the people who work for you do the work. Well, she made more money, right? Of course, she did, but she didn't believe that that was going to happen prior to the experiment, because she had always believed, I don't have enough time, and if I don't do this for myself, and not, you know, not really allow the people who work for me to actually do their jobs, then my whole business is going to fall apart, like, this big catastrophe is going to happen. Like, no one's going to call me anymore. Everybody's going to be mad, you know, and I'm like, Okay, it's 10 days,

Unknown Speaker 26:08 you know?

Tracee Sioux 26:09 Like, people go on vacation. That's what they do. They go on vacation. You you pay these people, let them do their job. When she came back, what she discovered was that her her employees really, really, really appreciated being allowed to do their job and not have her, you know, getting all up in it and micromanaging it, and it's changed the way that she works it. She works less, she makes more money, she's happier. But that was a huge struggle for her, huge, enormous struggle for her. And

Robert Plank 26:41 I mean, what I'm what I'm hearing, not only from from that story, but from this whole call, is that it seems like we all kind of wish that in a perfect world, that we could kind of turn on the switch, flip the switch, and just always be in that flow state, 24 hours a day, and just be a workaholic. But it sounds like, it sounds like, for you, like what's really important is that time spent away from the computer, away from the business, to get that, that clarity, the focus, the big aha moments, all that cool

Tracee Sioux 27:10 stuff. Yeah, well, think about yourself when you're programming. Do you get your best ideas while you're doing it? Well,

Robert Plank 27:16 usually what happens is, I'm stuck for eight hours. I take a 10 minute break, and then I instantly figure out what's been blocking me for eight hours. Okay, so

Tracee Sioux 27:23 now you know that, right? And so like, if you got stuck, and then five minutes later you were like, I'm gonna go take a nap or take a walk around the block, your insight would happen faster, which would make you more productive, right? You wouldn't have wasted that eight hours. Long, long, long time ago, I realized that if I did not try to finish a deadline at 11pm I could wake up the next morning at six o'clock and I could jam that sucker out in 45 minutes and it'd feel great, and it'd be good work, right? Because I had already tired my brain out by 11pm and I could sit there for five hours and just stare at that computer and not be able to create a coherent thought, right? So if you know this, if you're like, hey, every time I run, I get great ideas, or every time I take a nap, I wake up and I know the answer, if I sleep on it, that's why, when people say I'm gonna sleep on it, that's actually extremely great advice. Like, when you sleep on it, your your brain and your soul does all this stuff in there, and then when you wake up, you're like, oh, I don't know why. I didn't think about that yesterday, but that's a great idea, right? So just do it before you waste the eight hours. Just make it a part of your system. Yeah?

Robert Plank 28:34 And, I mean, that's good advice, and that's that's been a hard lesson that's been kind of a slow road for me over the last few years to slowly retrain myself, because, as you said, it's not an overnight thing and and it's almost like a blow to the ego, almost, right? Because it's like, I tell myself, but I have to put in these eight hours of like, so called hard work when, if I if I can just all be solved in 10 minutes. It's almost like, you know, you know what I'm saying. It's almost a blow to the ego that I thought it was supposed to take me eight hours of suffering, but then turns out there's a 10 minute shortcut, right?

Tracee Sioux 29:06 And I mean, you're you're exactly right that it's the ego, because in our culture, our egos are trained to think that if we're busy, we're gonna get richer, totally untrue, and if we work all the time, then we're cooler and make more money, which is also totally untrue, and if we get the doctorate degree that we're gonna make more money and get higher positions, also totally untrue, right? The facts do not bear these three things out, but we live in a culture that makes it really easy for the ego to make you feel guilty for finishing your work and going to the pool at two o'clock, you know, or, you know, taking a month off to go travel with your kids, right? So I took my kids to New York City this summer, and it took me about a week to stop feeling anxiety and guilt about getting away with it, like not having my business go to. Crap during this period of time was some kind of miracle. But the thing is, I've set my business up like that, on purpose, with intention, right? I've set up, you know, I worked my tail off before I worked my tail off after. I met with clients over Skype. My business did not suffer one single bit. My family benefited, my I benefited, but it took me a minute of doing it that I was like, I can't believe I'm getting away with this, right? Like, is this even allowed in America? Should I be doing something, you know? And you know, it's training, and it's ego, and ego loves to use that, and it is a little bit of a challenge to get the ego to hush up so that you can enjoy the time that you're taking,

Robert Plank 30:42 right? Because, I mean, what the heck else are you doing all this for? Yeah?

Tracee Sioux 30:46 What? Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of where I was. I was at when I started taking these month long vacations with my kids. Why am I an entrepreneur? I'm an entrepreneur so that I have the freedom to be able to spend with my family, right? I have I'm an entrepreneur and I don't have to go to an office area day. Well, why? Why? Why is that important to me? It's so that I can travel and go have some adventures, right, right?

Robert Plank 31:10 Work hard and play hard. Work hard and play hard. And

Tracee Sioux 31:13 if that's I mean, if that's not why you're working, we might want to have a conversation about why the heck you're working.

Robert Plank 31:20 Well. Well, that's a great place to kind of transition a little bit into if, if someone is out there and they need help, they realize that, you know, they need that, that the extra set of eyes, or the third set of eyes, or the third set of the third eye, or even just to help them get to where they need to go. Can you tell us about you and your you know your websites and your coaching and your services and all that cool stuff. Sure.

Tracee Sioux 31:47 Yeah, I'm very reachable@tracysu.com that's T, R, A, C, E, E, S, i, o, u, x.com, and you can email me at yes@tracysou.com and I'll get right back to you, and we can schedule an appointment to have a chat about where you're at and what you want to do and how I can help you with my services, whether that's for coaching and getting clear on what it is that you want and mapping out a path, or whether it's you need a marketing platform to create the brand that you are, or whether it's you're ready to publish a book, and let's get on it. Awesome.

Robert Plank 32:29 So whatever they need, you give them the whole package. So cool. So I'm excited for anyone who's headed your way, and thanks for coming on the show Tracy, to share what you have to say about I mean, it sounds like we talked about everything, right? All the life stuff, all the important stuff. So thanks. Thank

Tracee Sioux 32:45 you so much for having me. It's been great fun. Same here.

Robert Plank 32:49 Hey, it's Robert Plank again. Thanks for tuning in for this incredible discussion with Tracy. And go right now to Robert plank.com or, even better, Robert plank.com/itunes to subscribe, rate interview the show. Go ahead. Do it right now. You.