216: Interview Connections: Leverage the Power of Interviews (as a Host and Guest) for Increased Traffic to Build Your Business with Jessica Rhodes

Robert Plank 0:01 Robert Plank Show Episode 216 interview connections, leverage the power of interviews

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Robert Plank 0:09 for increased traffic to build your business with Jessica Rhodes, everybody and welcome back to the Robert Plank show. This is the online internet marketing podcast where we talk about making money. And our guest today is Jessica Rose. And she's the founder and CEO of interview connections calm, which is the premier guest booking agency for podcasters. And guest experts and she is the acclaimed author of rock the podcast from both both sides of the mic. Super excited, Jessica, welcome to the program.

Speaker 2 0:40 Robert, thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be on your show. I feel like we've known each other for so long. And it's been a long time coming.

Robert Plank 0:48 It has been I'm glad that you can, YOU CAN SLIM it with the rest of the so to speak, right and

Speaker 2 0:53 I you know, I see Robert Plank seem like every day in our Slack channel for interview connections, because we've booked so many of our clients on your show. And I'm like, then I saw Robert Plank on my calendar today. Cool. It was such a joy. I'm just moving

Robert Plank 1:05 up the ladder, right? And I said, Hey, somebody get me on the show. Yes, somebody give me a piece of that. And so cool. So I mean, I don't know a lot about interview connections that I'm I'm looking forward to you sort of explaining that to us. And so the only thing that I pretty much know is like I, I have this podcast here and I would put out episodes about once a week for 100 episodes. And then that got kind of tiring, right, I felt like maybe I started maybe repeating myself or kind of going back to the same kind of topics, I realized that will let a certain point I wanted to have some more guests on there. So I could have you know, someone else's take on on copywriting or someone else's take on, you know, mindset and stuff like that. And so I got all these guests and I went to some of these sort of, I guess there are some like directories out there and some are, and some weren't. And then I, I started going to other podcasts, and I started sort of looking at, you know, some guests that were good. And I started like sending out some emails and stuff like that. But that was kind of time consuming. And then I started getting some of these emails from some of your different employees from interview connections. And they would say like, Well, here's such and such guests, here's their, their speaker, she here's what they can talk about, do you want to have him on the show? And I said, Sure. And so I would say that maybe maybe once a week or so I get an email from like different people from interview connections. And I like Margie the best because she sends me like yeah, like five or 10 sometimes, but but they'll they'll say like, well, I see your podcast here is, uh, here's some of the speakers. Do you want to have them? And usually I say, Sure, give me all of them. And then I give them a link to my, you know, scheduler, and then they all fill up. So that's about all I know, as far as, as far as interview connection. So can you sort of tell us about this?

Speaker 2 2:44 Yeah, I'll give you kind of behind the scenes. What's going on? outside of that pitch? So yeah, we're I mean, we're a guest booking agency. I started the business Robert was I wanted so I started my my original business, I was the first virtual assistant because I wanted to be a stay at home mom, I have two kids, my son Nathan's three and a half and my daughter Lucy is one and when I was pregnant with eight that I just I wanted to be a stay at home mom. So I started a virtual assistant business and one of the things that I was doing was booking clients on podcast as a guest just doing that, you know, one on one as an assistant and, and it started to take off. We're talking about 2013 a lot of people in the entrepreneurial space have probably heard of the show Entrepreneur on Fire. That show was just getting started at that point. I you know, pitch john Lee Dumas some of my clients was getting my clients booked on his show. And once he launched podcasters paradise, like I think he can take a lot of responsibility for a lot of business owners getting into podcasting. I mean, one thing leads to another are people, you know, just start hearing about how great of a marketing strategy it is for their business. But I just remember, you know, three and a half years ago, seeing people like 1000s of people joining podcasters paradise, it was just like wildfire. Everyone was getting into podcasting. So I noticed that getting booked on podcasts was, you know, something that a lot of people wanted a lot of people needed help finding guests and getting connected. And I didn't see anyone doing that. There were websites like radio guest list is a website. I think maybe we found you on radio guest list. Have you used that directory? Yes, they could. Yeah. And so we get those emails, and we'll definitely we'll check out the shows there and often pitch podcasters that have posted on radio guest lists. So there were a couple of directories but I could not. I did not see any, you know, guest booking agencies. So I started one. And here we are today. So we have basically two different services, where we get people booked on podcast so entrepreneurs work with us, we find shows like the Robert Plank show, and we pitch them we get their one sheet done and we get them booked on podcast. They're a good fit for them. And we also work with podcasters. We have hosts that actually use our services to find people so they can say like we have one client Who interviews people who sold a business and so we are always on the lookout for people who sold a business. So we can, you know, book them on his show. So that's how it works. I have a whole team of guest Booker's. And the team is, I guess what they call distributed? So we're virtual. Everyone works from their respective home offices all around the country. And we all communicate on slack. So slack is an amazing tool. Are you familiar with it?

Robert Plank 5:26 I've heard of it. I've never used it.

Speaker 2 5:28 It's awesome. I mean, if you have an online team, I know some people use it with their mastermind group. But it's basically an app that you can use to direct message other people. And then there's group messages. So the whole interview connections team booking team is on there. So we can message so often, you know, about once a week, Mario say, Hey, guys, I'm gonna pitch Robert Plank, a whole bunch of guests, who would you like me to include? And, and that's kind of how we communicate there. So that's kind of behind the scenes of how we work.

Robert Plank 5:58 And that's awesome. And there's so many cool, cool things to unpack in there. And one thing, so just to make sure that I have this, right, so you were a virtual assistant, and you did all kinds of tasks. And so in the tasks you did you kind of realize that, okay, the virtual assistant and that stay at home mom stuff I'm doing, combined with all these new marketers who are on podcasting just kind of realized, well, let me kind of niche down and figure out well, there's this one task that I do over and over, let me like, just turn this this task into a business that, like you said, People weren't providing it, it seemed to me needed. And it sounded like it was kind of fun for you as well.

Speaker 2 6:31 Exactly, exactly. I was at a point, I remember, it was around May of 2013, my son was about three or four months old. And I just, you know, I was working by the hour. So I charge someone like, you know, 300 or $400 a month, and I would work for 12 hours, so I was really working hourly. And as my son was getting a little older, he was napping less like i the only way I could grow my business and make more money was to either charge more hourly, or charge more hourly or work more hours. And I'm thinking, Okay, this, this structure, this, this business model is not quite working, because I couldn't quite figure out how to charge more money I didn't necessarily see, like I wasn't well known enough, right, when to charge a lot. I feel like you also have to be an authority figure. I mean, I was very new, I didn't have a blog or a podcast or like Not a lot of people knew who I was. So I couldn't just say I'm going to charge 100 bucks an hour to book you on podcast that wasn't really going to, to work. So I knew that I had to niche down to because people want an expert. They want someone that knows exactly what they're talking about and is a leader in their field. So I at the time, I was also doing Pinterest marketing, too. So I took a course in Pinterest marketing, because like, you have to understand I knew nothing about business. When I started, I was working in a nonprofit, like I wanted something that I could do from home. So I was really just doing a variety of things. And then you know, when the podcasting thing I started noticing there wasn't a need for it. I just made that my focus. And my dad's my business coach, he helped me figure out how to create interview connections calm, and then I just put all of my focus on, on building up that business like changed the pricing structure. So went from all work for you this many hours to I will guarantee bookings. And this is the flat rate that it will cost. And that model really worked. And then just over the years, I've increased the price. And I've also perfected the systems behind the scenes to make it more profitable for me, because for a while I was not making any money, you know, is charging $47 for a program. I charge 297 a month for it right now. So as you can imagine, in the beginning, I really wasn't making any money, but now it's pretty good. Now that

Robert Plank 8:47 you find the secret sauce, and you figured out all the growing pains and stuff, right?

Speaker 2 8:51 Yeah, exactly. There's so many growing pains. And the key is and I've, you know, there's a lot of people that I mean, the podcasting industry is just booming. And there's so many services and niche businesses that have come out of podcasting being really popular anywhere from podcast producers to show notes writers and graphic designers who do podcast art specifically, it's really cool to see how much has come out of it. But what I've noticed is with myself and some you know good friends like my friend Cory at pod five productions, what we've noticed is that to scale and grow a service based business. In a growing fast growing industry like podcasting, there's one thing you really have to do well, and that is hire and manage a good team. Because it when your business grows fast. It's not long before you reach your capacity of how much you can do personally and then you have to start bringing in team members, hiring virtual assistants, bringing on employees and a lot of people start a business doing a task like I'm going to start by being a graphic designer. I'm gonna start by booking podcast interviews, and they're really good at that. And then when they have to start hiring people and managing people, that's where they're like, they're bad managers, and then things don't work out too well. And so luckily, like I studied organizational leadership and management. So that's one of my strong suits. So I think that's been a big reason that we've we've continued to grow is because we have a really strong team.

Robert Plank 10:20 Okay, them if that makes sense. Yeah. And it sounds like people are coming across like, someone have an EMF kind of problem there, where they, they say, Well, I'm not good at being a worker, but then I'm not so good at the the scaling and stuff like that. And so, so you have this thing called, called interview connections. And, and so you had these, these sort of hurdles you had to come across in order to build it up to where it was, and you, you sell to sort of two markets, right? You sell to the, the the people who have shows and the people who, who want to be on shows, and I'm sort of it's sort of clicking with me as your as you were explaining that sort of what the, like, why this kind of thing is so important, because you mentioned that there was like one, one interview guests who all he does is show up on shows about selling businesses, or did I get that backwards is that there's a show,

Speaker 2 11:06 he's a host that I'll tell ya, his name is john warrillow. He's the author of the book on Built to Sell. And so his podcast is called Built to Sell radio. And he interviews people who sold a business, a successful business that you know, reach the seven figure Mark sold it outright to a third party not you know, not sold out their shares to their partner or something. Yeah, so he interviews, we'll sell this business. So we're, every month he pays us to find people that that fit that criteria. And so we're constantly researching and looking for, for people that sell the business. So I mean, side note, if that's you, please reach out to me, I'd love to book you.

Robert Plank 11:42 And that's cool. Because Because I mean, yeah, like, in, you know, when I need to get guests, I'll just kind of get any old guests. But this is cool, because you can have these people who just have a really niche down kind of thing. And so yeah, so you mentioned that you kind of had to scale. And so what was there sort of any, any duty when he kind of measurement just out of curiosity about like how long you take to to get these guests like for that kind of scenario? Is it take like a little bit more research? A little bit more legwork to get those people on?

Speaker 2 12:11 Yes, yes. I mean, that account is one of our hardest, definitely takes us a lot longer, but we still always get it done within the month. So that's one of the challenges that that I accept. And, you know, just take on as having this kind of business is there are some clients where it's super easy. There are some clients where we book their, you know, we get their four bookings done in 10 minutes, because we have all the connections we need right there at our fingertips. And there's others where it takes a lot of research. So from a business perspective, the profit, you just have to take all that into consideration. You know, sometimes it's tempting to say, Oh, I'm, I'm only going to work with the easiest clients. If a client's really hard, I'm not going to work with them. But that's what my my dad is my business coach, you know, because I've talked to him sometimes, like, if there's a difficult client, you're not really sure. How does this, you know, is it worth it worth it because it's really hard. He said, you know, we only worked with easy clients, we wouldn't be in business like you, you have to work like business is not always going to be fun and easy. You sometimes have to work with challenging accounts, to you know, to keep things moving forward. So, yeah, some some accounts do take a lot longer and are a lot harder, and some are easier. And it just kind of all evens out in the end. But I will tell you, Robert, that the harder accounts I enjoy, they're so satisfying. You know, it's it's challenging finding those guests that sold the business, but when we find them, and we book them, it is so fun, you know, we bring a big Bell, well, we don't literally ring a bell, but it kind of feels like that.

Robert Plank 13:41 Maybe slack needs to add that feature, right? Everyone can hear that? Exactly. We're just like, we got it. And that's answered it makes you think about some of the mindset that you're in, in as you were growing where you kind of simplified the pricing there were at first you had an hourly and then you said, well, who's going to look at that and and know what an hour is or what I can get done in an hour. So instead you kind of have somewhat of a flat rate there where it's it's more result results based. And then you kind of take that hit yourself as far as what that costs you the money and the time to to get that exactly.

Speaker 2 14:12 And it's about the value you're providing not how much time because somebody could say to me right now, let's just say for example, it's a marketing expert. We have a ton of buy gas that we can book marketing experts on and it might not take us that long, but they're not paying us for how much time it takes us to book them today. They're paying us for all the connections and relationships. We've built, the systems that we've created that made it so our Booker's can find the right podcast, you know, that's years of work. So I believe that charging for your time just doesn't work. And I don't believe it works for us because, again, it's you know, they're paying for for value, not how much time it takes us because the time it takes us doesn't reflect all the work that's gone into, you know, getting us to this point,

Robert Plank 14:57 right and having back that Rolodex of people to talk to and stuff like that. And so I mean, what do people need to know along those lines? Like if people are coming to you and people want to get booked on shows, I know you mentioned like, a little bit of like a one sheet earlier. But I mean, what do people need to know what people need to do in order to get on some of these shows?

Speaker 2 15:18 You need to be an expert in something, you know, you have to be confident and clear in your message. No, sometimes I'll talk to people, they're like, I want to be booked on podcast. And they have no idea what their message is. They have no idea what they're an expert in, but they've got something going for them. They're just not sure. I mean, for us to work with people, you know, you have to be really clear and confident, like what topics? Are you an expert in? What is your unique take on those topics? Like, how are you going to be a unique guest to talk about XYZ? Because there's a lot of experts on, you know, let's say WordPress, for example, there's a lot of WordPress experts, but what kind of experience? or? Yeah, what kind of experience do you have that makes you unique to every other expert out there. And also, your online presence is really important, too. If you have a really crappy website, and you have no blog, you have no content on your website, it shows that you've got nothing going on. So you have to be creating content. If you expect other people to put you on their show and put you in front of their audience. You also should be doing leg work on your end. And, you know, to get booked. And so that also just demonstrates that you're an expert, too, when you are writing blogs and producing podcasts and doing videos and staying active on social media that demonstrates that you're leading authority. And that's who podcasters want to bring on their show.

Robert Plank 16:34 Awesome. And I mean, as far as the podcasting stuff, like you mentioned a few minutes ago that like it's it's really been blowing up. And for whatever reason, I think I've kind of had my head in the sand about how much how much we all kind of need to be plugged into this because like I said, like, I only put it I use only put out a podcast episode, like every now and then. And as I'm getting more of these guests, especially some of your guests, I'm sort of getting people telling me that like I need to be hopping on shows I need to be doing a lot of shows. And so I mean, I know that that on the interview guests list, I think your your your package, I guess is is a four shows a month, but you also said that people need to be quite poor, putting those some out there on their own. So I mean, how often should someone really be out there on podcast? And if the answer is it depends on your personality. I mean, how much should we really like go for, for the kind of person who really go for it and do a lot.

Speaker 2 17:29 So I mean, most of our clients do four interviews a month. So I'm a big fan of a consistent marketing schedule. And I see podcast interviews, just like I see any other kind of marketing I do. So I do a weekly podcast, I do weekly blog weekly video, I actually do two different kinds of weekly videos. And I go on podcast four times a month, which I mean, obviously, I don't know what everyone else's production schedule is. So it works out to about once a week. So I think that's a good way to look at it. Because you know, every week, you've got a different kind of marketing piece that's going out on all these different platforms, if you will. So I think for a month is great. You know, I talked to a client today who's You know, he has an offline business, he's a yoga instructor, he's a life coach, he has a lot of, you know, time obligations to his time with his business. So for months, he's like, I just don't know, if I have time for that. That's fine. You know, go on two interviews a month, do what you can, but you should be consistently getting yourself out there. Because, you know, especially for podcasters, what better way to market your show than to get in front of other listeners of podcasts.

Robert Plank 18:38 Right saves a lot of time. And so So what you're saying is that, that you'd prefer to go for more of the slow burn as opposed to the flash in the pan, you said that people should do just like, you know, four interviews a month or one a week and be consistent about that, as opposed to doing a lot and then not doing any more.

Speaker 2 18:55 Oh, yeah. 100% I am not a fan of the Do you know, do you know 50 interviews and then stop like it is a consistent long term marketing strategy. With any marketing you do. There is no quick fix when I started doing Facebook ads. So I work with Lindsay Anderson, who I'm guessing you've interviewed before or maybe you have to go Yeah, so I have a client of Lindsay's and Lindsey is one of our clients obviously I she does my traffic lead so she designed my both of my websites, and I pay her to do all different things to drive traffic and leads to my website. So we did Facebook ads a little bit and when I choose my example because when I got on the phone with her and I was like alright, what's our plan? What are you gonna do with me for Facebook ads? She goes, Okay, the first thing you have to know is that the first $400 you spend will probably go down the drain. And I was like, okay, she goes you just have to know that because there's testing that goes into marketing and online advertising. We just don't know the right you know, custom audience, the right target audience on Facebook like they have to test different, you know that what do they call it the AV testing, like they have to test different headlines and different audiences and all that stuff. And then we came to see that Facebook ads just didn't work. And so now we're trying to, we're doing a different strategy. So with whether it's your traffic and leads work, or whether it's going on podcast interviews, you're not gonna just see a home run in the first month or two, you're not going to see a home run in just a couple of interviews, you really need to do it long term. Because the cool thing that can happen is you you might do an interview one day, and then a year later, that person invites you back. And that turns in, you know, somebody hears that second interview. So it is a long term marketing strategy. I don't think it's a I think it's like flash in the pan thing.

Robert Plank 20:41 yet. Oh, yeah. That's, that's the analogy I use. And and that's good to know. And so, so as you were sort of explaining that, what I'm, what comes to my mind is, so people should be showing appearing on these shows on on somewhat of a regular basis to get that that snowball effect. And so I mean, what kind of offers should people be having? Because I mean, like, you know, I've had the guests on that, perhaps just the website to promote or just like the the book to promote or something like that, or some of them don't really have much to promote? So I mean, what are your thoughts? Like, should I yeah, in a perfect world? Like, if someone can't have a book? Should they? Or is the website better? Or like, Yeah, what are your thoughts there?

Speaker 2 21:18 It really depends. It really depends on what your goal is. So I think it's totally fine to just say, Hey, here's my website, you know, my guest today said, You know, I said, How can people connect with you goes, Google, me, and y'all and all and I'll pop up there. And that worked for him, because he talks about how getting a lot of publicity could um, it really increases your authority when when you have so many links on to your website that you show up in Google results. So that was kind of a fun thing to say, because it, it demonstrated that kind of demonstrated his point. So I don't think there's right and wrong way. One tip I give that, you know, works for most people is to have a landing page as a landing page with a specific headline, something that people can download for free. That's great. I don't do that. So I say that I that's an advice I give to a lot of people. But it's not something that you need to do. Because, like my goal, for example, Robert, I want to go on podcast, I want to connect with other podcasters. Like I want to walk away from this interviewing from this interview, being buddies with Robert Plank, like that is great for me whether or not people listen to the show, that's just a bonus, I go on podcast to build a relationship with the host. So I don't have a landing page. And, you know, a specific giveaway to build my list. But what I do tell people is go to my website, Jessica Rhodes dot biz, there, you'll find blogs, videos and podcasts, you can dive into a ton of different content. And because I create so much content, and I will, this is really the thing that I recommend people do is create a ton of content. When listeners hear you on a podcast, they like what you have to say, and they go to your website, if you don't have content for them to consume, they will leave and they will never come back. So the best thing you can do is have a lot of content on your website that people can click around and consume. And then from there, if you provide, if you provided value to them in the interview, you provide value to them with your content on your website, they will join your email list, they will start to get to know you and be in your community. And then the sales funnel happens down the road, you can't expect to sell somebody something on a podcast interview, they just met you.

Robert Plank 23:15 Awesome. And yeah, and that sort of that sort of leads to some of my fears, the rest because you know, as this podcast is kind of working for me. And I've sort of figured out a way to fit it into my schedule, something I'm looking into moving forward is hopping on to other people's podcasts. And I've sort of been stressed out about some of that stuff. Like I've been on some podcast or haven't had some guests where they made like a landing page on their site, just for listeners of my show. And I thought, Oh, geez, I have to have that or some people made a webinar. That was not not quite an about page or more like, Well, here's what you need to know about meeting with me in a podcast interview. And I stressed out again, thinking, Well, I haven't have that. And so what I'm hearing from not just that answer, but from everything that I've heard from you today is that, you know, it's kind of hard to make a mistake and, and hard to you know, really go wrong anywhere. What's most important is that you have somewhat of that all that established stuff out there all that extra, you know, Google results or a lot of content on your blog that when people show up, they can see that you're not fooling around that you're you haven't you've been in here longer than, you know, a couple of months, you're in this for the long term. And so, so sort of along along some of those lines, as far as like, you know, where some of us might be stressed out, or some of us might be making a mistake, like do you see like a big mistake happening over and over with some of these guests that you're booking in your business?

Speaker 2 24:37 Yeah, I mean, thankfully not in our business because we have a really high standards. We don't see a lot of mistakes with our own clients because we keep them in line. But I would say the biggest mistake I see and yeah, I mean, it comes up sometimes with with new clients, right if we haven't totally taught them all the lessons yet, is thinking first about what you want to sell before providing value to listeners, you have to understand as a guest expert, your job is to provide value to the listeners, it's not to sell what you have to offer. We all know that everyone here, you know, we're all entrepreneurs are all business owners, we want to grow our businesses. You know, I don't do podcast interviews, like in my spare time, I do them as part of my work day. And that's to grow my business. But my goal is to provide value to listeners, because I know that if I give as much valuable information as I can, that will attract people to me. And so, you know, one mistake that I've seen, in fact, you know, unfortunately happened recently where a host told me that the when the host asks the guest, What's your goal today, the guest said, you know, to get more clients in my business, and that really turns podcasters off, because they feel like you're just there to use them to sell what you have to sell. Your goal is to provide value because when you provide value attract people. So that's what I would say is just, you know, don't talk about what you sell, unless you're asked about it. Obviously, you asked me about how interview connections work. So I did, but you don't want to be pitching your products and services, unless you are asked to do so.

Robert Plank 26:09 Awesome. So provide value and also think about what to sell first. And as we're winding this down, like, Do you see this? Like some other mistake that a lot of these podcast hosts are making like a common mistake on that and the things?

Speaker 2 26:22 Yes, you are not Oprah? So stop treating your guests like your Oprah. What do I mean by that? Make it easy for your guests. This is I'm telling you this is a big issue with a lot of podcasters is podcasters are making guests jump through so many hoops. They're giving them long forms to fill out. They're making them do pre interview chats. Unless you're in the top 5% of podcast, unless you are a show with 10. You know, 20,000 30,000 downloads an episode, I really don't think you've earned the right to make guests jump through so many hoops to be on your show. And you should really think of it like this. If you're having someone on your podcast whether or not they asked you to come on, like, think about it. Like you're having someone over for dinner. Somebody may said hey, can I come over for dinner tomorrow night? If you say yes, regardless of if you ask them, or they asked you, they are your guest. And so you should treat them nicely. You shouldn't say yeah, and you got to bring every food, you gotta bring the wine, and you got to clean up the kitchen afterwards. You have to make it easy for your guests treat them like that, because that is the key and getting guests to share the podcast and, and help you grow your audience. You've got to treat them nicely and with respect.

Robert Plank 27:32 And that's just good life advice in general. And I'm glad that you said that. And I'm really on the same page as that. Because, like, I mean, I had like the I've had the guests send me in the questionnaire like I've done sort of like not podcast interviews, but sort of like informal, you know, interviews that go on a blog, and I've had those kinds of experiences where I get the 10 page questionnaire and I'm or they want to meet ahead of time, and I'm looking at that thinking, I don't know, like, what I don't want to type in this, what's there to talk about ahead of time, right? Like what you can just show up and just kind of ask you sight unseen. Exactly,

Speaker 2 28:03 exactly. And I was so and you've done all this super well, like you're very, you know, easygoing, laid back, you provide a ton of value. You're a good host, I was relieved to see on my calendar, Robert Plank, 20 minutes, I looked at the details, there was no form no show flow page I had to read. I'm like, cool. We're gonna show up. And you're like, you know, before we started recording, you said, Yeah, like to go into this pretty open ended, like no prepare questions. I said, awesome. That's how I like to roll.

Robert Plank 28:28 Cool. So that so that's the ideal scenario. And I think like, whenever I watched, like, like Jimmy Fallon, or some kind of talk show hosts, like usually, if it's like the guests first time, they're like, Oh, yeah, we just met like, 10 minutes ago, but they don't say we met a week ago to do the pre interview for the interview. So I mean, it sounds like, for some of us are on the right track. It sounds like,

Speaker 2 28:49 absolutely, just make it easy. And you know, just because you have a podcast doesn't mean you, you know, are the most famous talk show hosts, you just have to, I don't know, keep it in keep it all in check.

Robert Plank 29:00 Yeah, keep the ego in control and stay humble and all that stuff. And so so we've been talking about, about interview connections for most of this, this call so can you kind of tell people you know about your, the the different packages that you provide along with them? Anything else you need to know about that service?

Speaker 2 29:16 Sure. Yeah. So if you guys are interested in being booked as a guest, just head on over to interview connections. COMM And packages are pretty straightforward. We book four interviews a month for our titanium level, and then two interviews a month for our gold level. And then if you go to interview connections, comm I think it's slash podcast dash hosts should make that URL easier. But at the top of the page, you can just click podcast hosts. So you'll see the little yellow button and that'll bring you over to the page where you can learn about getting guests for your show. So if you need guests for your podcast, you can work with us and tell us who you want to interview what kinds of people and we'll find you Awesome, awesome guests.

Robert Plank 29:55 Awesome. So so you don't have to do it the hard way anymore. You don't have to go In searching for either who to have on the show or what shows to be on, you can just go to interview connections calm and to get guests to be a guest. Great place to go. Go there right now interview connections.com and sign up. And thanks so much, Jessica, for stopping by the show and sharing what you had to share with us today. Thank you, Robert. I had fun. I did too. This is Robert Plank. And would you like to be a guest on the program? Do you have an idea for a future episode? Or do you just want to tell us how we're doing? Get in touch with us right now at Robert plank.com slash ask to let us know